[Ads-l] Quote: We have not got any money, so we have got to think (Attributed to Ernest Rutherford)

Sat Sep 30 17:54:30 UTC 2023

I also can see the different viewpoints on access. So much has changed since I moved, with my manual typewriter, to graduate school. Semi-related, access-wise: I raced, before pandemic lockdowns, to complete and submit an article. Brill publisher announced in May this year that the book is available in hardback (and digital, whole or individual chapters, in June). They have sent me neither incarnation of the full book. Even amazon dropped the title. Of course I want readers. (It's Dead Sea Scrolls stuff, with a section on etymology of Essenes, so not a bestseller.) Brill, reportedly, has a new distributor, and chaos. I'm not on a streetcorner handing out copies—not yet!
Stephen

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As an author, a librarian, and a researcher, I can sympathize with all sides of the copyright issue, but it sure is nice to be able to search and view in-copyright books.

Fred Shapiro

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Subject: Quote: We have not got any money, so we have got to think (Attributed to Ernest Rutherford)

Way back in September 2011 Jonathan Lighter initiated a thread about
old sayings, and he included a version of the expression in the
subject line. Dan Goncharoff and I replied.

Some of the items we uncovered were only visible as snippets in Google
Books. The enormously valuable controlled digital lending mechanism of
the Internet Archive allowed me to recently verify some crucial
citations with scans. Sadly, this online library may be shut down in
the future.

The Quote Investigator article on this topic is here:
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[Begin acknowledgement]
Great thanks to Jonathan Lighter and Dan Goncharoff who participated
in a mailing list thread about old sayings back in 2011 which
ultimately led QI to formulate this question and perform this
exploration. Goncharoff pointed to the intriguing 1943 citation.
Thanks also to Bill Sweetman’s email inquiry which helped to motivate
this research. Additional thanks to Barry Popik for his helpful
investigation.
[End acknowledgement]

Here are some links to the 2011 discussion.
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Barry Popik created a helpful entry on his website back in 2013. Here
is a link to a snapshot in the Way Back machine:
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Fred, has a valuable entry on page 707 of the New Yale Book of Quotations.
Garson

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