[Ads-l] Internet Archive lawsuit and challenges to scholarship

Sun Feb 4 22:27:14 UTC 2024

I also use the Internet Archive regularly and it is excellent for finding obscure sources.

That said, I feel that they are sending good money after bad by appealing this ruling, and I have said so on a blog comment. Whether we like the law or not, I have yet to read any legal opinion that thinks that the Archive has any chance of winning. As it would cost a lot of money to appeal and lose again, I would rather that they spent the money in staying solvent in doing what they are legally allowed to do. In addition, it would have been nice if Internet Archive members had some sort of vote on what to do (e.g. Wikimedia lets its members vote on policies). For an organisation that promotes transparency, the Internet Archive is not very transparent in its decision-making or on what it spends donations on.

Ed

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Sent: 04 February 2024 14:07
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Subject: Re: Internet Archive lawsuit and challenges to scholarship

I consult Internet Archive every single day for purposes of research on
various topics. It makes available material not easily accessible anywhere
else.
 Shutting it down would be a heavy blow and would make some of my work
nearly impossible.

JL

On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 6:28 AM Z S <zrice3714 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Shame on Hachette and all other plaintiffs - potential or otherwise - in
> this lawsuit. The Internet Archive has been a virtual godsend for those of
> us who have accessibility challenges and are unable to easily access
> physical libraries. I was annoyed that the IA would only allow me to access
> a given publication under copyright for either an hour or fourteen days.
> Hachette would have me not be able to access it at all??  Outrageous and
> disgraceful!
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 9:12 PM dave at wilton.net <dave at wilton.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > I concur.
> >
> > I use the Internet Archive all the time in researching usage. It's often
> > the only place where one can find copies (digital or print) of
> copyrighted
> > and out-of-print works, especially genre fiction, which is often
> > unavailable in physical libraries.(HathiTrust is a good source for full
> > texts of public domain texts, but does not provide access to anything
> still
> > under copyright.)
> >
> > Shutting it down would be blow.
> >
> > But the solution can only be found in a comprehensive re-envisioning of
> > copyright laws for the digital age. The laws simply weren't designed for
> > 1980s-era video tape, much less digital copies or artificial
> intelligence.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "ADSGarson O'Toole" <adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2024 2:21pm
> > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > Subject: [ADS-L] Internet Archive lawsuit and challenges to scholarship
> >
> >
> >
> > The Internet Archive lawsuit continues. Here is a link to a recent
> > blog post from the Internet Archive.
> >
> >
> >
> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.archive.org%2F2023%2F12%2F29%2Ffriend-of-the-court-briefs-filed-in-internet-archives-appeal%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C16fc2ce6df10425838f008dc258abba7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638426525009989597%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=026WXURe30zDKFV5HHp%2FJyiTX4JK3zIuAOywIXBeXLs%3D&reserved=0<https://blog.archive.org/2023/12/29/friend-of-the-court-briefs-filed-in-internet-archives-appeal/>
> >
> > The Quote Investigator uses the electronic library operated by the
> > Internet Archive to locate and verify citations. If the electronic
> > library is shut down then this type of research will be much more
> > difficult. Sometimes it will be impossible.
> >
> > Shutting down the electronic library of the Internet Archive would
> > cause a major setback for scholarship. The electronic library uses
> > controlled digital lending. Major research libraries use controlled
> > digital lending. The library only loans one digital book when they own
> > one physical book. This procedure does not reduce the sales of books.
> >
> > I am sympathetic to authors and publishers. I am an author myself.
> > This is a controversial topic, and people disagree. Here is a webpage
> > about controlled digital lending.
> >
> > https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcontrolleddigitallending.org%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C16fc2ce6df10425838f008dc258abba7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638426525009997869%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zqmOFZlsxNX6vYzOSVd8U9zK8rwlXHsJc%2Fhay8x262c%3D&reserved=0<https://controlleddigitallending.org/>
> >
> > Garson
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