[Ads-l] Internet Archive lawsuit and challenges to scholarship

Mon Feb 5 14:12:45 UTC 2024

I agree with the other commenters who use Internet Archive: it is an
absolutely essential resource. I would happily pay for it! One wonders why
some kind of micropayment licensing couldn't be arranged for publishers who
desire it. GB

On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 2:27 PM Edward Aveyard <edwardaveyard at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I also use the Internet Archive regularly and it is excellent for finding
> obscure sources.
>
> That said, I feel that they are sending good money after bad by appealing
> this ruling, and I have said so on a blog comment. Whether we like the law
> or not, I have yet to read any legal opinion that thinks that the Archive
> has any chance of winning. As it would cost a lot of money to appeal and
> lose again, I would rather that they spent the money in staying solvent in
> doing what they are legally allowed to do. In addition, it would have been
> nice if Internet Archive members had some sort of vote on what to do (e.g.
> Wikimedia lets its members vote on policies). For an organisation that
> promotes transparency, the Internet Archive is not very transparent in its
> decision-making or on what it spends donations on.
>
> Ed
>
> ________________________________
> From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on behalf of
> Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> Sent: 04 February 2024 14:07
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Internet Archive lawsuit and challenges to scholarship
>
> I consult Internet Archive every single day for purposes of research on
> various topics. It makes available material not easily accessible anywhere
> else.
>  Shutting it down would be a heavy blow and would make some of my work
> nearly impossible.
>
> JL
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 6:28 AM Z S <zrice3714 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Shame on Hachette and all other plaintiffs - potential or otherwise - in
> > this lawsuit. The Internet Archive has been a virtual godsend for those
> of
> > us who have accessibility challenges and are unable to easily access
> > physical libraries. I was annoyed that the IA would only allow me to
> access
> > a given publication under copyright for either an hour or fourteen days.
> > Hachette would have me not be able to access it at all??  Outrageous and
> > disgraceful!
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 9:12 PM dave at wilton.net <dave at wilton.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I concur.
> > >
> > > I use the Internet Archive all the time in researching usage. It's
> often
> > > the only place where one can find copies (digital or print) of
> > copyrighted
> > > and out-of-print works, especially genre fiction, which is often
> > > unavailable in physical libraries.(HathiTrust is a good source for full
> > > texts of public domain texts, but does not provide access to anything
> > still
> > > under copyright.)
> > >
> > > Shutting it down would be blow.
> > >
> > > But the solution can only be found in a comprehensive re-envisioning of
> > > copyright laws for the digital age. The laws simply weren't designed
> for
> > > 1980s-era video tape, much less digital copies or artificial
> > intelligence.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "ADSGarson O'Toole" <adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2024 2:21pm
> > > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > > Subject: [ADS-L] Internet Archive lawsuit and challenges to scholarship
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Internet Archive lawsuit continues. Here is a link to a recent
> > > blog post from the Internet Archive.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.archive.org%2F2023%2F12%2F29%2Ffriend-of-the-court-briefs-filed-in-internet-archives-appeal%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C16fc2ce6df10425838f008dc258abba7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638426525009989597%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=026WXURe30zDKFV5HHp%2FJyiTX4JK3zIuAOywIXBeXLs%3D&reserved=0
> <
> https://blog.archive.org/2023/12/29/friend-of-the-court-briefs-filed-in-internet-archives-appeal/
> >
> > >
> > > The Quote Investigator uses the electronic library operated by the
> > > Internet Archive to locate and verify citations. If the electronic
> > > library is shut down then this type of research will be much more
> > > difficult. Sometimes it will be impossible.
> > >
> > > Shutting down the electronic library of the Internet Archive would
> > > cause a major setback for scholarship. The electronic library uses
> > > controlled digital lending. Major research libraries use controlled
> > > digital lending. The library only loans one digital book when they own
> > > one physical book. This procedure does not reduce the sales of books.
> > >
> > > I am sympathetic to authors and publishers. I am an author myself.
> > > This is a controversial topic, and people disagree. Here is a webpage
> > > about controlled digital lending.
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > Garson
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