[Ads-l] Fw: Thinking class / Cognitive class / Knowledge class

[Dan Goncharoff]

You first sentence is a false assumption. Everything else follows,
incorrectly.

On Fri, Feb 9, 2024, 3:28 PM Z S <zrice3714 at gmail.com> wrote:

> "Knowledge worker" implicitly suggests other professions do not involve the
> utilization of knowledge. The definition is not in question, the term is.
> It's rather inelegant, patronizing (as mentioned earlier here regarding
> such terms), and not at all precise. It sounds like it's derived from a
> time in which the majority worked in factories or fields.
>
> As a side note, Oxford states:
> knowledge worker: a person whose job involves handling or using
> information.
>
> Coincidentally, "Thinking people" occurs in the translation of the recent
> Putin interview.
>
> "This is an obvious fact and *thinking people -* not Philistines, but
> thinking people...analysts, those who are engaged in real politics, just
> *smart
> people* - understand perfectly well that this is a fake."
>
> Best,
> Zola S.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 8:36 PM Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > All jobs require some knowledge.
> >
> > Some jobs require only knowledge. Those are done by knowledge workers.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 7, 2024, 12:18 PM Z S <zrice3714 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not convinced that the two are parallel. Cognition/thought and
> > > knowledge are basic to all human beings - hence the term *homo
> sapiens*.
> > > Even the farmer has specialized, scientific knowledge...so does the
> > cement
> > > worker (in the case of the documentary). If you put any of us in the
> > > Amazon, we most likely lack the inherited, cumulative body of
> > specialized,
> > > scientific knowledge required to survive more than a year. The tailor
> in
> > > Italy or the home seamstress/pattern drafter possesses a specialized
> > > knowledge of geometry, arithmetic, space, and form (as well as anatomy)
> > > that allows him or her the ability to create or manipulate 3D objects
> by
> > > using complex calculations and a flat surface. If you put any of us
> > > (without their specialized knowledge) in their place of work, we'd
> likely
> > > come away with a sarong or toga, at best.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, many people will easily admit to lacking creativity
> -
> > > and it has no implications as far as class or intelligence, nor does it
> > > dehumanize. Some jobs don't demand creativity and try to outright
> > prohibit
> > > it! However, all jobs require knowledge, human thought, or "cognition".
> > >
> > > Knowledge worker, thinking class, cognitive class, knowledge class -
> > > they're terms that 1) diminish the the skills and knowledge necessary
> for
> > > various professions and economic classes and 2) dehumanize
> > (understatement)
> > > by denying the very existence of knowledge and human thought among
> > specific
> > > classes and professions.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Zola S.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 1:33 PM Amy West <medievalist at w-sts.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It calls to mind the parallel construction "creative class".
> > > >
> > > > ---Amy West
> > > >
> > > > On 2/7/24 12:00 AM, ADS-L automatic digest system wrote:
> > > > > Date:    Tue, 6 Feb 2024 23:24:50 +0100
> > > > > From:    Z S<zrice3714 at GMAIL.COM>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Fw: Thinking class / Cognitive class / Knowledge class
> > > > >
> > > > > Just confirmed a suspicion: in the documentary*Spies of
> Mississippi*,
> > > one
> > > > > of the witnesses states that her uncle, B.L. Bell, referred to his
> > > class
> > > > as
> > > > > "the thinking class people". (I just went back and scrubbed through
> > the
> > > > > film to check.)
> > > > >
> > > > > (Timestamp 17:07 to 17:42)
> > > > >
> > > > > https://youtu.be/JX925i-llQk?feature=shared&t=1027
> > > > >
> > > > > These terms sound as antiquated as they are. Interesting - to say
> the
> > > > least
> > > > > - that they're so freely used today by the media.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Zola Sohna
> > > >
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