[Ads-l] "Natty" = 'national champion(ship)'

Sun Jan 14 18:02:04 UTC 2024

I remember an interesting clipping of a course name
from my days as a freshman college student (1958-59),
 Its title was Humanities, often clipped to Hum
(pronounced like the verb hum, sometimes with
a humorously added humming sound).

Gerald Cohen
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Yes, it seems as though the clipping is derived from the orthography =
rather than the phonology, but that=E2=80=99s part of a pattern for =
pronouncing truncations little understood (at least by me), as also =
exemplified by =E2=80=9CSoash=E2=80=9D for =E2=80=9CSociology=E2=80=9D, =
which is never itself pronounced with a palatalized <c>.  =E2=80=9CSocial =
work=E2=80=9D yes, but not =E2=80=9Csociology=E2=80=9D. =20

By the same token, the various incarnations of =E2=80=9CNatty=E2=80=9D =
for =E2=80=9CNatural=E2=80=9D (as in Natty Light beer and the others =
brought up in the thread) ought to be =E2=80=9CNatch=E2=80=9D or =
=E2=80=9CNatchy=E2=80=9D, not =E2=80=9CNatty=E2=80=9D.

> On Jan 14, 2024, at 9:01 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> =
wrote:
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> Why not the "Nash"?
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> Just asking.
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> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 11:00=E2=80=AFPM ADSGarson O'Toole <
> adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Excellent citations, Bill.
>> Here are two citations for a slightly different sense. "Natty" below
>> refers to the national championship game instead of the national
>> championship.
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>> Date: January 8, 2008
>> Channel: NBC - 4 KFOR
>> Channel Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
>> Time Start: 5AM - 05:00:08
>> Database: NewsBank Access World News
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>> [Begin excerpt]
>> COMING UP...
>> AND SOME CALL IT THE NATTY -- NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.
>> THOUGH THIS YEAR MAY BE NATTY LIGHT.
>> THAT'S BECAUSE A TWO LOSS TEAM WON THE TROPHY.
>> THEY'RE JUST ONE OF NINE TEAMS WITH TWO OR LESS LOSSES TO END THE =
SEASON.
>> WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE FINAL GAME -- STRAIGHT AHEAD ON NEWSCHANNEL
>> [End excerpt]
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>> Year: 2009
>> Book Title: Always Compete: An Inside Look At Pete Carroll and the =
USC
>> Football Juggernaut
>> Author: Steve Bisheff
>> Chapter 8: Game Eleven: A Great, Historic Rivalry or an Annual =
Mismatch?
>> Quote Page 215
>> Publisher: St. Martin's Press, New York
>> Database: Internet Archive Archive.org
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>> [Begin excerpt]
>> "The thing is, those teams also give up 30 or 40 points every game.
>> I'd love to see USC-Florida or USC-Texas. I'd like to see how those
>> teams would do against our defense, but you know, that one half at
>> Oregon State got us. One half is going to keep us out of the Natty
>> [national championship game] this year, and that hurts."
>> [End excerpt]
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>> Garson
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>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 4:15=E2=80=AFPM Bill Mullins =
<amcombill at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> 2004 Daily Oklahoman 29 May 2C/4
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>>> We're just here to bring liberty and justice to the world of =
softball
>> and to bring another natty (national championship) back to UCLA.
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>>> 2013 Tampa Tribune Sports 19 Aug 6/1
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>>> What makes people think we can't win a NATTY.
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>>> 2016 Miami Herald 3 Oct B1/5
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>>> If we don't beat them and get a Natty [national title] in the time =
that
>> we're here, we haven't done Miami justice.
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>>> 2017 Opelika-Auburn News 11 Jul 4B/6
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>>> Maybe we would have somehow won a natty.
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