[Ads-l] Earliest True Acronym

[Geoffrey Nathan]

Apologies—I'd forgotten that we make a distinction between
initialisms and acronyms.

Just for fun, however, how do we treat 'okey doke(y)'?

Geoff


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It's an initialism, not an acronym. It's pronounced as the separate letters "O" and "K", not as a monosyllabic word like the tree "oak".

Jesse Sheidlower

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 04:06:01PM +0000, Geoffrey Nathan wrote:
> While I don't want to start a fight here, isn't the proposed etymology
> of OK as being from the abbreviation of 'Old Kinderhook' an example
> of an early pronounced acronym? It dates to the 1830's.
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> I apologize if someone else has already pointed this out, but Bill's second=
>  citation below is very significant in that it may establish the claim that=
>  SCOTUS is the earliest known acronym in the English language (although, de=
> pending on the precise definition of "acronym," there are some other abbrev=
> iations in the 1879 Phillips Telegraphic Code that may be tied with SCOTUS =
> for this honor).
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> Walter P. Phillips _The Phillips Telegraphic Code for the Rapid
> Transmission by Telegraph_ Wash, DC:  Gibson Brothers, 1879.
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> p. 59 col 2:
> "Pot -- President of the."
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> p. 65 col 2:
> "Scotus -- Supreme Court of the United States"
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> > _Milwaukee [WI] Sentinel_ 12/6/1891, p 10 col 1 [Gale 19th Cent
> newspapers]
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> > "For instance, the receiver's sounder will tick out the letters
> "scotus."
> > There is no meaning in this combination of letters, but the operator
> gets a
> > hustle upon himself as soon as he hears it and writes down, "the
> Supreme court
> > of the United states." "
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> > _Charlotte [NC] Observer_ 10/18/1892 p 1 col 4 [GenealogyBank]
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> > "The case then came to Scotus.  The case was argued last Tuesday."
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> > > A slightly earlier cite is found at America's GenealogyBank.
> > > 14 April 1895, _Birmingham(AL) Age-Herald_ 21/3
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> > > Talking about the United Press "code" in use for about seven years
> on the
> > > telegraph-to-newspaper circuit.
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> > > "In addition the more frequent phrases are skeletonized to the limit
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