[An-lang] Coordinate structures in Indonesian

william-davies at uiowa.edu william-davies at uiowa.edu
Fri Jul 18 03:38:25 UTC 2003

I haven't got an answer wrt Indonesian, but in Madurese a simple coordinating
conjunction seems to be thematically oriented.  So, (1) is unambiguous
(according to my current consultant), and (2) is odd or out.

(1) Ali nempeling Bambang ban epokol bi' Toni.
     A  AV.slap   B       and OV.hit by  T
   'Ali<i> slapped Bambang<j> and Toni hit him<j,*i>.'

(2)*Koceng rowa ngeco'   juko' ban ekekke' bi' embi'-eng Siti.
    cat    that AV.steal fish  and OV.bite by  goat-DEF  S
   (That cat<i> stole the fish and Siti's goat bit it<i>.)

With a more temporally oriented conjunction such as pas 'then' the result is
either ambiguity (in (3),the analogue of (1)) or acceptability (in (4),
corresponding to (2)).

(3) Ali nempeling Bambang pas epokol bi' Toni.
   'Ali<i> slapped Bambang<j>, then Toni hit him<i,j>.'

(4) Koceng rowa ngeco' pas ekekke' bi' embi'eng Siti.
   'That cat stole the fish, then Siti's got bit it.'

Bill Davies

Quoting Whitney Anne Post <whitneyannepost at hotmail.com>:

> Dear AN-Lang friends,
> I will happily take up Paz Naylor's challenge to "re-activate" the AN-Lang
> list-serve by posing a question to the Malay-Indonesianists among you. How
> would you judge coordinate sentences like (1) and (2) below, in which the
> conjoined VPs are not of the same voice? (I have glossed the prefix meN- as
> "ACT" for "Active Voice" and di- as "PASS" for "Passive Voice".)
> (1)
> Nando	mendorong Allen dan	dipeluk Susan.
> Nando ACT-push Allen and	PASS-hug	Susan
> ‘Nando pushes Allen and is hugged by Susan’
> (2)
> Nando didorong Susan dan memukul Allen.
> Nando PASS-push Susan and ACT-hit Allen
> ‘Nando is pushed by Susan and hits Allen’
> If these sentences do indeed sound odd, I have the following more specific
> questions:
> - Are they absolutely ungrammatical, or could some pragmatic principle (say,
> thematic parallelism between the two conjoined predicates) be at work here?
> - Would replacing the linker "dan" with another more temporally loaded one
> like "lalu" improve them?
> Thank you in advance for your judgments. I will post a summary of responses
> if I receive enough to warrant it.
> Yours sincerely,
> Whitney Anne Postman (and not "Post"as my hotmail address would have it)
> NYU School of Medicine, USA
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