[An-lang] Etymology of Tagalog "hilaga"

[Adrian Clynes]

Brunei Malay has/had iraga 'north' Moulton 1921 'Points of the compass in
Brunei Malay', Journal of the Straits Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society
83:75

On 11 Mar 2017 1:28 AM, "David Gil" <gil at shh.mpg.de> wrote:

The online Malay dictionary at http://melayuonline.com/ind/
dictionary/detail/12/I/40 glosses "iraga" as

mata angin antara utara dengan utara timur laut

which translates as "cardinal point between north and northeast".

The Malay orthography is not a reliable indicator of whether the word has a
final glottal, and a few random people I asked today had never heard of the
word.

For what it's worth, the phonotactics of the word is rather odd from a
Malay perspective, as most Malay words are disyllabic, and if they do have
an antepenult, it usually contains whatever the "neutral" vowel is in the
respective dialect happens to be — which is never a high [i].



On 10/03/2017 15:16, Laurie Reid wrote:

The form actually has a final glottal stop, hilagà, which suggests it may
be a borrowing from Malay *iraga *'north wind' as noted by Antonio
Pigafetta (note John Wolff's paper on Malay borrowings in Tagalog).

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Robert Blust <blust at hawaii.edu> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm not sure where Bill Davis got the idea that "Malaysian and Indonesian
> have *hilaga".  *The normal word for 'north' in Malay/Indonesian is
> *utara*, a Sanskrit loan, and *hilaga* does not appear in any dictionary
> of the language that I have seen.  The* hilaga* form appears rather to be
> confined to Tagalog and a small number of languages in the Philippines that
> may have borrowed from it.
>
> Best,
>
> Bob Blust
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:22 PM, Bill Davis <bill_davis at ntm.org> wrote:
>
>> Not sure, but I know that SW Palawano (PLV) has *iraga?* and Malaysian
>> and Indonesian have *hilaga*. I have heard that cardinal directions came
>> into Austronesian from other sources. Before that names of seasonal winds,
>> up/down river, mountainward/seaward, etc., were all.
>>
>> -Bill
>>
>>
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>> Hello,
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>> Does anyone happen to have any insight on the etymology of Tagalog
>> *hilaga *'north'?
>> I've consulted the ABVD, ACD, and Wolff (2010), but was not very
>> successful
>> in finding an answer.
>>
>> I see that the word for "north" in a number of Philippine are reflexes of
>> PAn *qamiS, though the Tagalog reflex, *amihan*, refers to the north or
>> northeast wind.
>>
>> I also see that Antonio Pigafetta noted that the word *iraga *'north
>> wind' in his Malay word list.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris Sundita
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