Arabic-L:TRANS:tarbiya fanniyya responses

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Date: 05 May 2001
From: Waheed Samy <wasamy at umich.edu>
Subject: tarbiya fanniyya response

Tarbiya fanniyyah is just plain old 'art'.
Waheed

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Date: 05 May 2001
From: Sattar.Izwaini at stud.umist.ac.uk" <mcuijsi2 at fs1.ccl.umist.ac.uk>
Subject: tarbiya fanniyya response

Hi
tarbiya fanniyya is a module that introduces pupils/students to arts
such as painting, drawing, sculpture (even music and singing in  some
schools). Within this subject students practice those arts no  matter
what the field or 'branch' of study is. It cannot be 'technical
education'.
Best regards
Sattar Izwaini

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Date: 05 May 2001
From: ABBAS-MEKKI Wigdan cdd FTRD/DMI/LAN
<wigdan.abbasmekki at rd.francetelecom.fr>
Subject: tarbiya fanniyya response

Dear Jackie,
i think the appropriate translation would rather be "technical education" in
the contexte of your issue. The equivalent of the terme technicien
is(fanniy)and artiste would be the equivalent of (fannAn). Let us say
"fannAn" will correspond to someone who deals with a skill issue of "qudraat
funuun" painting or  sculpture but (fanniy) will rather deals with
technical's skills such as (lab. technicien)for exemple, so
"technical education" will work better in this contexte.

Wigdan Abbas MEKKI (france-telecom R&D)

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Date: 05 May 2001
From: GnhBos at aol.com
Subject: tarbiya fanniyya response

I am not so sure, but it may be related to Civics.
Is there such a thing as "Civic Arts"?
Best Regards,
George N. Hallak

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Date: 05 May 2001
From: Glenn Phillips  <scalhorn at aol.com>
Subject: tarbiya fanniyya response

Hi, Jackie,

I would say that tarbiya fanniyya here would be "technical training"
in accordance with the other technical skills involved in the text.
Hope this helps!
Cheers,
Glenn Phillips

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Date: 05 May 2001
From: Michael Fishbein <fishbein at humnet.ucla.edu>
Subject: tarbiya fanniyya response

I think that tarbiya fanniya must mean "technical education." There
is a listing for ta'liim fanni (technical education) in Badawi-Hinds,
Egyptian Arabic Dictionary, and tarbiya fanniya would seem to be a
synonym for it. The adjective fanni occurs in a variety of contexts
with the meaning of "technical" in Egyptian usage.
Michael Fishbein
Department of Near Eastern Languages and Cultures, UCLA

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7)
Date: 05 May 2001
From: Mutarjm at aol.com
Subject: tarbiya fanniyya response

Dear Jackie,
Tahaya tayyioba wa b3ad....
Hiyaakum Allah..
Go with "technical education" or (even) "professional education," since the
object of the technical/functional/professional subjects being taught are
implicitly expected to lead to the graduate's  eventual employment in that
technical area.
I have seen transcripts and certificates that would cite items like "tarbiyya
fanniyyah fi burmaaja al-hisaabaat," etc.
HTH. Khair, in sha' Allah.
Regards from Los Angeles,
Steve Franke
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Date: 05 May 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: tarbiya fanniyya response

"Al-junuun  funuun  wa-l-funuun  junuun." -- al-Zamakhshari

                                 Mike Schub

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