Arabic-L:TRANS:tarbiya fanniyya vs taŒliim fanni

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1) Subject: tarbiya fanniyya vs taŒliim fanni
2) Subject: it's art
3) Subject: it's arts education
4) Subject: it's fine arts
5) Subject: it's vocational education
6) Subject: Jackie's response

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1)
Date: 30 May 2001
From: Hossam Ibrahim <hdilinguistics at yahoo.com>
Subject: tarbiya fanniyya vs taŒliim fanni

In Egypt we refer to "tarbiya fanniyya" in our schools to refer to classes
on drawing/painting or music.  So it is "art" classes.  Technical education
is a different story, it is "ta'liim fanni" which is an educational track
(as opposed to general secondary education that prepares young people for
college) taken after the eighth grade to prepare people to work as
technicians in such areas as mechanics, electricity, air-conditions,
electronics, etc.

Hossam Eldin Ibrahim
English Department, Alexandria University
Egypt
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2)
Date: 30 May 2001
From: Waheed Samy <wasamy at umich.edu>
Subject: it's art

tarbiya fanniya is just plain old art class.

Waheed

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3)
Date: 30 May 2001
From: dwilmsen <dwilmsen at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: it's arts education

We translate such transcripts on a daily basis.  And we render the term "arts
education,"  exactly for the reason that Waheed gave.

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4)
Date: 30 May 2001
From: saharmhy <saharmhy at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: it's fine arts

  I think that tarbiya fanniya could be translated as fine arts.
  Thanks
  Sahar

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5)
Date: 30 May 2001
From: saharmhy <saharmhy at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: it's vocational education

Tarbiya Fanniya is equivalent to Vocational Education, not necessary
limited to arts, nor to technical training.

Nimat

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6)
Date: 30 May 2001
From: j murgida <jmurg at star.net>
Subject: Jackie's response

Thank you all for your responses. I received one additional private response
from Egypt saying tarbiya fanniyya = art [education], the seven below
[moderator's note: i.e. the one's posted previously, not those posted
today] , and a
vote from an Egyptian friend who isn't a list member and who also went for
art.

Some of the "art" proponents are Egyptian, but I'm not sure about the rest.
And I know some of the "technical" proponents are not Egyptian, and some are
not Arab. Are the others who say it's "art" also Egyptian? Is anyone who
says it's "technical" ed. Egyptian? If you Egyptians don't agree, of course
I'll ask the client to settle the issue. He knows what he studied and what
the exam consisted of.

In case it's relevant, this certificate was for the 1993 exam.

Best regards,
Jackie

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