Arabic-L:LING:Verbs with preps responses

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1) Subject:Verbs with preps response

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Date: 01 Oct 2011
From:sattar izwaini <sattarumist at yahoo.co.uk<mailto:sattarumist at yahoo.co.uk>>
Subject:Verbs with preps response

Hello

Some verbs in Arabic need a preposition to have an 'object'. Without the preposition the structure would not be right and may give a different meaning, e.g.

جاءنا خبر (jaa'naa khabar)

this is an intransitive verb and the word خبر is the subject, whereas in

جاءنا بخبر (jaa'naa bi-khabar)

the verb is transitive with 'unmentioned' subject that is implied and should be known form the context and cotext. The word خبر is the 'patient' or the 'object' if you wish. However, according to Arabic grammar it is the object of the preposition not the verb. The preposition and the verb constitute a prepositional phrase. the same analysis can be applied on other verbs with preposition where the structure and semantics require the preposition.

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Date: 01 Oct 2011
From:Ahmed Hassan Khorshid <khorshid at aucegypt.edu<mailto:khorshid at aucegypt.edu>>
Subject:Verbs with preps response


*Hello,*
*I'd like to answer your query to Arabic-L, but I'm not sure I understand it
well.*
*To start with,  jaa'a is both transitive and intransitive (**jaa'ahu/
jaa'aha, **jaa'a ila). jaa'a bi is only intransitive (any verb followed by a
preposition is intransitive). You may argue that jaa'a bi has a transitive
equivalent meaning, like aHDara.*
*The transitive/ intransitive dichotomy has a relevance to case and case
endings (i'raab). When it comes to meaning, why don't we think in Arabic
instead of English? I think that the causative/ reflexive dichotomy is more
important because it has relevance to meaning.*
*For example, if form I is intr., form II, IV is tr. If form I is tr., form
II, IV is di/ double transitive.*
*I could rephrase the preceding line by saying that form II, IV is
causative.*
*A common mistake is to say that form VI is only intr. It could be tr. if
form III is di/ double transitive. The correct description of it is that it
is reflexive of III. If you want to discuss it further, please let me know.
salaam.*

--
Ahmad Khorshid
Arabic Language Instructor

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