Arabic-L:LING:'now' query responses

[Dilworth Parkinson]

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1) Subject: now' query response
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Date: 23 May 2014
From: Zaki Haidar <zaki.haidar at gmail.com>
Subject: now' query response

فَـ seems like the obvious candidate.


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2)
Date: 23 May 2014
From: Jon Forsyth <jon4syth at gmail.com>
Subject: now' query response

The most comprehensive research on discourse connectives that I have found
was done my Amal AlSaif.  She compiled a comprehensive list of discourse
connectives.  Details are in her Phd Thesis:

http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/3129/

See the appendix D for a list of discourse connective types and their
semantic categories.  I don't see الآن on her list, but perhaps there is a
functional equivalent.

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3)
Date: 23 May 2014
From: Zainab Hermes <zainabhermes at yahoo.com>
Subject: now' query response


Hello!
I believe the Levantine هلّأ (meaning now) can be used in a similar manner
as described for English 'now' above. For example:
هلأ ما باعرِف إذا كان هالحكي مظبوك، بس هو هيك قاللي
(now I don't know whether this is correct, but that's what he told me).
Zainab Hermes
PhD Student of Linguistics
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

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4)
Date: 23 May 2014
From: Magda <msiekert5 at yahoo.com>
Subject: now' query response

Here are my 2 cents' worth on your 2 q's - I am sure others will have more
to say:

1. I can't think of examples in Arabic where الآن is used as a discourse
marker the way 'now ' is used in the  examples you cited.
2. Drawing on your 3 ex., I think in ex. 1, we could use أما ...and in ex.
3, we could use وفي الواقع or بصراحة.  To me, ex.  2 wouldn't use any:
   دعني أفكر could stand alone.

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Date: 23 May 2014
From: Afra Al-Mussawir <afraalmussawir at yahoo.com>
Subject: now' query response

I cannot think of any examples where الآن serves a similar pragmatic
function as 'now' in English

As for other Arabic words that serve this function, I'd like to suggest
"-ف" and "طيّب". Those two were the first to come to mind, though I might
think of others given time. "ف" is often translated as "so," but I think it
may sometimes be translated as "now" to good effect in the function you
describe. Do you have any thoughts about these two suggestions?
Afra

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Date: 23 May 2014
From: Michael Schub <m7schub at gmail.com>
Subject: now' query response

Is  /ya`nii/  too obvious?  Best wishes,
Mike Schub

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