digraphs and sorting

[Clayton Long]

I’ve gotten use to the Diné Bizaad font for my translation work for Navajo Language, which I downloaded from http://www.languagegeek.com/dene/keyboards/romdene.html .  It’s way good when I send documents to anyone that need Navajo Translation work done. I don’t worry about exchanging fonts, etc.  Developing keys for “ts, ts’, tł, tł’, etc” sound like a good idea, but I never worried about it.

I also use ipad2 and most of the Navajo font keys are available to me.  The only key that ipad2 can’t make is the “ ą́, ę́, į́ or ǫ́ “ (having a high tone and nasel mark with the vowels ).  If someone knows how to make these keys on the ipad2, please let me know.

I don’t know of any studies for the question asked.

Clayton L.

From: ATHAPBASCKAN-L [mailto:ATHAPBASCKAN-L at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrea L. Berez
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:11 PM
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Subject: Re: digraphs and sorting

Interesting question, to which I'll respond only anecdotally (because I don't know of any such studies).

Here at CILLDI this week some savvy Ath (specifically DS) speakers have told me things like "We have many different "d"s: d, dh, ddh..." So there's a mix of the awareness of these sounds as somehow separate from one another, but yes still conceived of as flavors of d. Phonology and literacy colliding...

Andrea

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University of Hawai'i at Mānoa
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On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Mike Morgan <mwmbombay at gmail.com<mailto:mwmbombay at gmail.com>> wrote:
I would imagine that it would depend on the existing level of literacy
in a majority language, and what orthographic conventions are used by
that majority language community. If most members of a community are
already used to the idea that "th" is a separate sound but is
alphabetized after "tg" and before "ti", then presumably following
this practice in creating an orthography would make things easier.

Though, of course, making things easier is NOT ALWAYS the primary
goal, and sometimes OPPOSING any existing majority language practices
is preferred as it increases the degree of distinctiveness of the
minority language.

as I said though, although I think I have seen studies on this
somewhere, I have no idea where or when they might have been...


PS technology can also enter into the mix: Welsh has a long history of
treating "ch", "dd" and "ll" as separate digraphic characters, and
alphabetizing them accordingly (so "ch" follows "cz", etc). With the
advent of word processing, but before special software which
alphabetized according to welsh rules, things started to change, and
many people followed English practices ("ch" after "cg"). Now that
such software is ubiquitous, it is (mostly) back to tradition...

mwm

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Gary Holton <gmholton at alaska.edu<mailto:gmholton at alaska.edu>> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I know this list doesn't get a lot of traffic, so apologies in advance
> for spamming you with this query. For years I've accepted without
> question the orthodoxy which sorts dictionary entries by digraph
> rather than by single characters. This makes obvious sense, since
> digraphs such as th or even trigraphs such as tł' are single phonemes
> and hence shouldn't be relegated to secondary status within a
> dictionary. On the other hand, we also know that many languages do
> just fine treating digraphs as separate characters for the purposes of
> dictionary sorting (e.g., English has no "th" section; Malay has no
> "ng" section). So, my question is, does anyone know of any usability
> studies -- or even just subjective account --  comparing the relative
> advantages of each approach within a language maintenance situation?
>
> Gary Holton


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Morgan)
sign language linguist / linguistic typologist
academic adviser to "Nepal Sign Language Training and Research Centre"
project
NDFN, Kathmandu, Nepal

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