columns??

[Carol Slater]

Dear Brian--
It is, as ever, very generous of you to be thinking of solutions to our problems! My hunch is that if columns is gone, my best bet is to fall back on a clunky (but mercifully familiar) combination of kwal -t and Tables in Word. (We wouldn't, in that case, need an equivalent of +h in the columns command: we maintain speakers' identifications until their utterances had been assigned to the appropriate column, and then select and delete IDs. (For all I know, there may even be a Word command that will delete a string everywhere it appears.) 
It is sad to think of having to do it this way, though, because the charm of columns was its astonishing ease of application--one simple command and behold, there was a read-ready print out. Admittedly, columns did not have a lot of tunes, but I must confess to having been really fond of the one it knew how to play.
Thanks again.
Cheers,
Carol

  

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>Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:18:31 +0200
>From: Brian MacWhinney <macw at cmu.edu>  
>Subject: Re: columns??  
>To: chibolts at googlegroups.com
>
>
>Dear Carol,
>
>     I had thought that people had largely stopped using the columns- 
>type display, so it is interesting to know that you still find this  
>useful.  The problem with the CLAN COLUMNS program was that it was  
>rather inflexible.  We figured that something fancier, like an Excel  
>display would eventually be better. But we never got around to  
>implementing anything, I am afraid.  Without a program, I have no idea  
>how one could get a display of the COLUMNS type.
>    It would help if you could tell me what aspect of the Columns-type  
>display you find most useful.  For example, it is now possible to  
>convert CHAT files into EXMARaLDA format and from EXMARaLDA it may be  
>possible to get some types of displays that you like.  ELAN is also  
>possible, but I think EXMARaLDA is closer to what you might want.  But  
>it is not a real Columns display.  Instead, it is in the Partiture  
>format.
>    Regarding your second question about a +h switch, I am confused.   
>There is no +h switch in KWAL.  If you want to remove dependent tiers,  
>the best method is just with -t in KWAL, as you say.
>
>--Brian
>
>On May 12, 2008, at 6:05 PM, Carol Slater wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi, all--
>> The current program manual does not include columns, which, in the  
>> past, I have happily used to create more easily readable output  
>> from, for example, GARVEY. (True enough, the new files were not by  
>> along shot in CHAT format, but it was still possible to use the  
>> original files for analysis.)
>>
>> I wonder: what is now the best way to do what columns used to do?
>>
>> Should we rely on a word processing program to reformat speaker  
>> utterances after taking out unwanted dependent tiers with kwal -t?  
>> Will +h take out speaker identifications in a kwal command?
>>
>> Suggestions will be gratefully received.
>>
>> Carol Slater
>> Department of Psychology
>> Alma Collet
>> Alma, MI
>>
>> >
>>
>
>
>>

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