columns??

[Brian MacWhinney]

Folks,

I would like to ask anyone else who is currently using COLUMNS to send  
me a note.  Please don't post to the bboard, just send a note to macw at cmu.edu 
.  I will take the final count, multiply by 10 and that will give me  
an estimate of the interest in resurrecting it or coming up with some  
alternative.

-Brian

On May 12, 2008, at 8:47 PM, Carol Slater wrote:

>
> Dear Brian--
> It is, as ever, very generous of you to be thinking of solutions to  
> our problems! My hunch is that if columns is gone, my best bet is to  
> fall back on a clunky (but mercifully familiar) combination of kwal - 
> t and Tables in Word. (We wouldn't, in that case, need an equivalent  
> of +h in the columns command: we maintain speakers' identifications  
> until their utterances had been assigned to the appropriate column,  
> and then select and delete IDs. (For all I know, there may even be a  
> Word command that will delete a string everywhere it appears.)
> It is sad to think of having to do it this way, though, because the  
> charm of columns was its astonishing ease of application--one simple  
> command and behold, there was a read-ready print out. Admittedly,  
> columns did not have a lot of tunes, but I must confess to having  
> been really fond of the one it knew how to play.
> Thanks again.
> Cheers,
> Carol
>
>
>
> ---- Original message ----
>> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:18:31 +0200
>> From: Brian MacWhinney <macw at cmu.edu>
>> Subject: Re: columns??
>> To: chibolts at googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> Dear Carol,
>>
>>    I had thought that people had largely stopped using the columns-
>> type display, so it is interesting to know that you still find this
>> useful.  The problem with the CLAN COLUMNS program was that it was
>> rather inflexible.  We figured that something fancier, like an Excel
>> display would eventually be better. But we never got around to
>> implementing anything, I am afraid.  Without a program, I have no  
>> idea
>> how one could get a display of the COLUMNS type.
>>   It would help if you could tell me what aspect of the Columns-type
>> display you find most useful.  For example, it is now possible to
>> convert CHAT files into EXMARaLDA format and from EXMARaLDA it may be
>> possible to get some types of displays that you like.  ELAN is also
>> possible, but I think EXMARaLDA is closer to what you might want.   
>> But
>> it is not a real Columns display.  Instead, it is in the Partiture
>> format.
>>   Regarding your second question about a +h switch, I am confused.
>> There is no +h switch in KWAL.  If you want to remove dependent  
>> tiers,
>> the best method is just with -t in KWAL, as you say.
>>
>> --Brian
>>
>> On May 12, 2008, at 6:05 PM, Carol Slater wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi, all--
>>> The current program manual does not include columns, which, in the
>>> past, I have happily used to create more easily readable output
>>> from, for example, GARVEY. (True enough, the new files were not by
>>> along shot in CHAT format, but it was still possible to use the
>>> original files for analysis.)
>>>
>>> I wonder: what is now the best way to do what columns used to do?
>>>
>>> Should we rely on a word processing program to reformat speaker
>>> utterances after taking out unwanted dependent tiers with kwal -t?
>>> Will +h take out speaker identifications in a kwal command?
>>>
>>> Suggestions will be gratefully received.
>>>
>>> Carol Slater
>>> Department of Psychology
>>> Alma Collet
>>> Alma, MI
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
> >
>


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