Excluding utterances on PAR line

Thu Dec 20 19:43:46 UTC 2018

Brie,

Please email to me directly a sample file along with command lines you are using for FREQ and EVAL that demonstrate this discrepancy and I will try to figure out what is wrong.

Leonid~

> On Dec 20, 2018, at 14:32, brielle.stark <brielle.stark at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm specifically referencing the *PAR column in the FREQ output as being different from the "Total Utt" column in the Eval. Essentially, the *PAR column in the FREQ output is always bigger than the "Total Utt" column, hence why i was thinking the +exc tiers weren't being excluded.
> 
> Thank you for your help.
> 
> Brie
> 
>> On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 2:10:59 PM UTC-5, Leonid Spektor wrote:
>> Post-codes are an exception to regular codes. If you want to exclude data associated with post-codes, then you need these options:
>> 
>> -s"[+ exc]" -s"[+ per]" -s"[+ jargon]"
>> 
>> if you want to exclude post-code's codes themselves, i.e. "[+ exc]", "[+ per]" and "[+ jargon]", which is redundant, because they are excluded by default anyway, then you need  these options:
>> 
>> -s"<+ exc>" -s"<+ per>" -s"<+ jargon>"
>> 
>> Post-codes and pre-codes are treated differently than regular codes. If you are not sure, then I would suggest to just type a command, like FREQ, by itself in commands window and you will get quick description of what those options do. For example, if you type FREQ, then under line "+sS: search for word S in an input file." you will see description of differences between codes and post-codes.
>> 
>> 
>> Leonid.
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2018, at 13:19, brielle.stark <briell... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks. I tried as the FREQ command said, with;
>>> 
>>> freq +d2 *.cha  -s"<+ exc>" -s"<+ per>" -s"<+ jargon>" +t*PAR
>>> eval +t*PAR +u &.cha
>>> 
>>> when I did this, I got different utterance counts, which makes me think that the FREQ exclusion did not work. 
>>> 
>>> I appreciate your help, thanks.
>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 11:35:49 AM UTC-5, Leonid Spektor wrote:
>>>> Yes, you need to specify post-codes to make FREQ exclude or include utterances with that post-code.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Leonid.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 18, 2018, at 09:47, brielle.stark <briell... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do I need to specify to exclude [+ exc] with 'freq'?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 9:46:58 AM UTC-5, brielle.stark wrote:
>>>>>> Perfect, thanks!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 10:18:50 PM UTC-5, Leonid Spektor wrote:
>>>>>>> Brie,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 	EVAL, KIDEVAL and few other commands automatically excludes utterances marked with "[+ exc]" post-code. You do not need to specify it on the command line. The reason you got an error message is because we do not want post-codes used to include or exclude any other utterances by mistake.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Leonid.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 14:21, brielle.stark <briell... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi there. I'm trying to exclude utterances on the PAR line tagged with + exc. According to the manual, and to the eval command, I've been doing:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> eval +t*PAR -s"[+ exc]" +u *.cha
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Am I doing something incorrect? Feedback from CLAN:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Please specify only precodes "[- ...]" with +/-s option.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thank you very much!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Brie
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