FLUCALC Question

Fri Jul 26 03:40:15 UTC 2019

Chelsea, from what I can see, it is POSSIBLE that this utterance is best
parsed into smaller units. Certainly the last phrase fulfills some
definitions as its own utterance, structurally (it's a "sentence" in its
own right), but utterances usually have more complex determinants. Criteria
vary, but we tend to use "2 out of 3" set of criteria to potentially
separate long turns like this into shorter utterances: is there a final
contour to some phrases in the middle of this run, are there silences or
respiratory intakes, and does something stand as a grammatical "sentence"
or phrase. Only 2 need apply for us to segment something like this into
smaller units. These sorts of determinations are important for other
reasons, since so many kid language measures are proportioned over
utterances, such as MLU, IPSYN, DSS, etc. If some transcribers are making
"maximal" decisions about where utterances end, and others are more
conservative, you will wind up with some very variable estimates of
language, not just fluency.

It would be impossible to know if any part of this qualified to be divided
out without the audio. If you wanted to share a clip with me privately, I
might be able to provide some guidance.

I can definitely see a situation where, if a speaker were sufficiently
disfluent, and each disfluency counts as a word as well as the actual
words, that setting a limit of 50 per utterance COULD run up against some
problems. But the current limit is an attempt to prevent people from
placing turns, rather than utterances, on speaker tiers, since so many
language variables proportion over utterances, not turns.

best,
N

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On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 7:51 PM C Johnson <john3290 at msu.edu> wrote:

> Hi Leonid,
>
> Thanks for your quick response! The error message that was cut off
> indicated that the utterance was more than 50 words. I have attached
> another screenshot here.
>
> The error that keeps popping up often gives examples of utterances with
> multiple revisions or phrase repetitions as examples if the program does
> not force me to quit altogether. The content of the utterances which is not
> repeated seems to be under 50 words. I've attached another screenshot with
> an example.
>
> Best,
>
> Chelsea
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 7:39 PM Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi CJ,
>>
>> The screenshot that you attached to your email is cut short. The actual
>> error message is at the bottom of Clan Output window. The dialog box just
>> lets you read the message before CLAN quits automatically. I can't see the
>> error message, so I can't help with it.
>>
>> The 50 words limit can not be overwritten. If your file has exceeded that
>> limit, then it likely wasn't transcribed correctly. FLUCALC shows the
>> utterance that has exceeded that limit and should be changed in some way to
>> make it shorter. Perhaps it can be broken up into two. If you think that
>> this line is correct, then please email it or the file it is in to us and
>> we will see if maybe the 50 words limit should be increased.
>>
>> Leonid~
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 18:51, C J <cjohn3290 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have been attempting to run FLUCALC on a mac with the newest CLAN and
>> most recent version of OS. Is there a way to override the error that
>> doesn't let FLUCALC run on a file with utterances longer than 50 words?
>> Anytime I include one of these files, the FLUCALC file is 0 bytes and
>> empty, and I get an error in CLAN. Sometimes, CLAN also gives me the error
>> message (attached as screenshot) and forces me to close the program.
>>
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