FLUCALC Question

Fri Jul 26 16:27:34 UTC 2019

Hi Dr. Ratner and Leonid,

Thanks so much for your input! I'm going to listen to these files again and
see if I can get FLUCALC to work after another sweep. I will let you know
if I have any other questions.

Best,

Chelsea

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 11:40 PM Nan Bernstein Ratner <nratner at umd.edu>
wrote:

> Chelsea, from what I can see, it is POSSIBLE that this utterance is best
> parsed into smaller units. Certainly the last phrase fulfills some
> definitions as its own utterance, structurally (it's a "sentence" in its
> own right), but utterances usually have more complex determinants. Criteria
> vary, but we tend to use "2 out of 3" set of criteria to potentially
> separate long turns like this into shorter utterances: is there a final
> contour to some phrases in the middle of this run, are there silences or
> respiratory intakes, and does something stand as a grammatical "sentence"
> or phrase. Only 2 need apply for us to segment something like this into
> smaller units. These sorts of determinations are important for other
> reasons, since so many kid language measures are proportioned over
> utterances, such as MLU, IPSYN, DSS, etc. If some transcribers are making
> "maximal" decisions about where utterances end, and others are more
> conservative, you will wind up with some very variable estimates of
> language, not just fluency.
>
> It would be impossible to know if any part of this qualified to be divided
> out without the audio. If you wanted to share a clip with me privately, I
> might be able to provide some guidance.
>
> I can definitely see a situation where, if a speaker were sufficiently
> disfluent, and each disfluency counts as a word as well as the actual
> words, that setting a limit of 50 per utterance COULD run up against some
> problems. But the current limit is an attempt to prevent people from
> placing turns, rather than utterances, on speaker tiers, since so many
> language variables proportion over utterances, not turns.
>
> best,
> N
>
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>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 7:51 PM C Johnson <john3290 at msu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi Leonid,
>>
>> Thanks for your quick response! The error message that was cut off
>> indicated that the utterance was more than 50 words. I have attached
>> another screenshot here.
>>
>> The error that keeps popping up often gives examples of utterances with
>> multiple revisions or phrase repetitions as examples if the program does
>> not force me to quit altogether. The content of the utterances which is not
>> repeated seems to be under 50 words. I've attached another screenshot with
>> an example.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Chelsea
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 7:39 PM Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi CJ,
>>>
>>> The screenshot that you attached to your email is cut short. The actual
>>> error message is at the bottom of Clan Output window. The dialog box just
>>> lets you read the message before CLAN quits automatically. I can't see the
>>> error message, so I can't help with it.
>>>
>>> The 50 words limit can not be overwritten. If your file has exceeded
>>> that limit, then it likely wasn't transcribed correctly. FLUCALC shows the
>>> utterance that has exceeded that limit and should be changed in some way to
>>> make it shorter. Perhaps it can be broken up into two. If you think that
>>> this line is correct, then please email it or the file it is in to us and
>>> we will see if maybe the 50 words limit should be increased.
>>>
>>> Leonid~
>>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 18:51, C J <cjohn3290 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have been attempting to run FLUCALC on a mac with the newest CLAN and
>>> most recent version of OS. Is there a way to override the error that
>>> doesn't let FLUCALC run on a file with utterances longer than 50 words?
>>> Anytime I include one of these files, the FLUCALC file is 0 bytes and
>>> empty, and I get an error in CLAN. Sometimes, CLAN also gives me the error
>>> message (attached as screenshot) and forces me to close the program.
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Chelsea Johnson
Ph.D. Student, Dept of Communicative Sciences & Disorders
Michigan State University
1026 Red Cedar Road, Room 210C
Oyer Speech & Hearing Building
East Lansing, MI 48824
john3290 at msu.edu

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