Differences in MOR output using macOS and Linux

Wed Jan 29 18:27:09 UTC 2025

Thanks Leonid, I'll check them all out as well as the website.

Cheers,
L.

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El mié, 29 ene 2025 a la(s) 2:58 p.m., Leonid Spektor (
spektor at andrew.cmu.edu) escribió:

> Hi Leandro,
>
> I have created three test files from your examples in last email. I am
> attaching those three files to this email. I don't know if chibolts allows
> email attachments or not, so I am copying this email to your email account
> directly.
>
> The spa-l.cha file was created by MOR command on Mac Unix. The spa-w.cha
> was created by MOR on Windows 11. The spa-m.cha file was created by MOR on
> Mac. All three of those files have identical %mor tiers and MOR created:
> n|cosa&f-PL=thing.
>
> The %mor tiers were created during my test. The %xwr: tiers are from your
> email created by your Windows and the %xlm: tiers are from your email
> created by your Linux. I don't know why your Linux creates
> "n|cosa&f-PL=thing^n|coso-f-PL=thing". This usually happens if you do not
> run POST command. POST disambiguates words.
>
> My best guess for your Windows result is that there is something wrong in
> the Windows system. Or Spa grammar on your Windows is not the same as on
> your Linux. You can get spa grammar from web page
> https://talkbank.org/morgrams/.
>
> We are trying to move away from MOR command and grammar to Universal
> Dependencies system. On the web page https://talkbank.org/ look at
> section "ASR and Morphosyntax" and Batchalign2 command.
>
>
> Leonid.
>
> On Jan 29, 2025, at 09:40, Leandro Garber <leandrogarber at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Leonid,
>
> I've just tried the latest linux version.
>
> I've found some differences with Windows, specifically with words
> cosa/coso/cosos (thing/things)
>
> Windows almost always makes a mistake and parse cosa like
> v|cose-2S&SUB&PRES=sew
> Linux parse it correctly: n|cosa&f-PL=thing^n|coso-f-PL=thing (though i
> think it should desambiguate for the second one)
>
> Here some examples:
>
> //////////////
>
> *SIS: recién [=! alarga] va a poner sus cosas en su mochila !
>
> Windows:
> %mor: adv|recién=recently v|i-3S&PRES=go prepart|a=to inf|pone-INF=put
> co|sus v|cose-2S&SUB&PRES=sew prep|en=in det:poss|su&3S=his
> n|mochila&f=backpack !
>
> Linux:
> %mor: adv|recién=recently v|i-3S&PRES=go prepart|a=to inf|pone-INF=put
> co|sus n|cosa&f-PL=thing^n|coso-f-PL=thing prep|en=in
> det:poss|su&3S=his n|mochila&f=backpack !
>
> //////////////
>
> *MOT: dale guarda las cosa(s) !
>
> Windows:
>
> %mor: imp|da-2S&IMP~pro:clit|3S=give v|guarda-3S&PRES=guard
> det:art|el&f-PL=the v|cose-2S&SUB&PRES=sew !
>
> Linux:
>
> %mor: imp|da-2S&IMP~pro:clit|3S=give v|guarda-3S&PRES=guard
> det:art|el&f-PL=the n|cosa&f-PL=thing^n|coso-f-PL=thing !
>
> ///////////////
>
> *GMO: cualquier cosa vienen para casa .
>
> Windows:
>
> %mor: qn|cualquier&m=whichever imp|cose-3S&IMP=sew v|veni-3P&PRES=come
> prep|para=for n|casa&f=house .
>
> Linux:
>
> %mor: qn|cualquier&m=whichever n|cosa&f=thing^n|coso-f=thing
> v|veni-3P&PRES=come prep|para=for n|casa&f=house .
>
> ///////////////
>
> *MOT: las dos cosas mamá las dos cosas . [+ CHI]
>
> Windows:
>
> %mor: det:art|el&f-PL=the det:num|dos=two v|cose-2S&SUB&PRES=sew
> n|mamá&f=mommy det:art|el&f-PL=the det:num|dos=two
> v|cose-2S&SUB&PRES=sew .
>
> Linux:
>
> %mor: det:art|el&f-PL=the det:num|dos=two
> n|cosa&f-PL=thing^n|coso-f-PL=thing n|mamá&f=mommy
> det:art|el&f-PL=the det:num|dos=two
> n|cosa&f-PL=thing^n|coso-f-PL=thing .
>
>
>
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>
>
> El vie, 24 ene 2025 a la(s) 11:17 a.m., Leandro Garber (
> leandrogarber at gmail.com) escribió:
>
>> That's great Leonid, thanks ! I'll test it on Tuesday and let you know !
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> El vie, 24 ene 2025, 7:01, Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Hi Leandro,
>>>
>>> I have finally found the problem and fixed it. I have tested it on Mac
>>> Unix. I assume it will also work on Linux. Let me know if you have any
>>> problems with Unix CLAN. New UnixCLAN is on the web.
>>>
>>>
>>> Leonid.
>>>
>>> On Jan 23, 2025, at 16:31, Leandro Garber <leandrogarber at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Leonid, thank you very much for your reply.
>>>
>>> I think you are on the right track, I recall the differences could be
>>> caused by something like that. I don't know the technical details about
>>> lexicon implementations but I can check it out as well and see if I
>>> discover something.
>>> I can send you examples next Tuesday that I'll be on my office computer.
>>>
>>> Right now I just remember there were problems with some diminutives (i.e
>>> perro (dog) -> perrito (little dog)) (not all)
>>>
>>> I'm glad you have the time to work on this.
>>> Best,
>>> L.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El jue, 23 ene 2025 a la(s) 6:22 p.m., Leonid Spektor (
>>> spektor at andrew.cmu.edu) escribió:
>>>
>>>> Hi Leandro,
>>>>
>>>> I am still trying to figure out why Mac/Windows and Unix outputs are
>>>> different. I noticed that on Mac/Windows words with accents like "móntale"
>>>> and striped of accents and are converted to stem "monta". The word
>>>> "móntale" is not in the lexicon, so striping accents occurs before the word
>>>> is looked up in the lexicon list. On Unix the accents are not striped, so
>>>> MOR can't find "móntale" word anywhere in the Spanish lexicon. I did not
>>>> create Spanish grammar, so it takes a long time for me to figure out where
>>>> the conversion occurs.
>>>>
>>>> Is this the difference in Windows and Linux you are noticing? Or can
>>>> you give me an example of the difference in outputs that you are referring
>>>> to in your email?
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to let you know that I am still working on this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Leonid.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 22, 2025, at 12:21, Leandro Garber <leandrogarber at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone, I hope you are starting 2025 great.
>>>>
>>>> Just wanted to report that I've just downloaded the latest Linux
>>>> version and I'm getting different outputs on Linux compared to Windows (not
>>>> Mac this time as the title suggests). I've been able to run Windows version
>>>> with Wine emulator in order to do the comparison.
>>>>
>>>> On linux I'm running:
>>>>
>>>> /path/to/mor -L/path/to/lib/spa my_cha_file.cha
>>>> /path/to/post +d/path/to/lib/spa/post.db my_cha_file.cha
>>>> /path/to/postmortem -L/path/to/lib/spa my_cha_file.cha
>>>> /path/to/megrasp -L/path/to/lib/spa my_cha_file.cha
>>>>
>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>> L.
>>>> El Tuesday, December 28, 2021 a la(s) 4:29:28 PM UTC-3, Leandro Garber
>>>> escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> That was fast.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've just downloaded it, compiled it, and yes, it works like a charm.
>>>>> Files are identical now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your help and happy new year.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> El mar, 28 dic 2021 a las 15:47, Leonid Spektor (<
>>>>> spe... at andrew.cmu.edu>) escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Unix bug has been fixed. New UNIX code is on the web.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leonid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 13:38, Leandro Garber <leandr... at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Brian and Leonid for your time, I hope I didn't spoil your
>>>>>> holidays !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Leandro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El mar, 28 dic 2021 a las 15:21, Leonid Spektor (<
>>>>>> spe... at andrew.cmu.edu>) escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently there is a bug in Unix MOR code that fails to read
>>>>>>> pre-post rules file. I am working on this right now and I will let everyone
>>>>>>> know when it is fixed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leonid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > On Dec 28, 2021, at 13:17, Brian Macwhinney <ma... at andrew.cmu.edu>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I guess Leonid didn’t include PREPOST in the Unix distribution.
>>>>>>> We are all on vacation this week and next.  Any chance you could rely on
>>>>>>> Mac OS instead?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > — Brian
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> On Dec 28, 2021, at 12:33 PM, Leandro Garber <leandr... at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Dear Brian,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Thanks for your quick response. I can't find a "prepost" binary
>>>>>>> in my bin folder, is it named something different ?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Best Regards,
>>>>>>> >> Leandro.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> El mar, 28 dic 2021 a las 13:57, Brian Macwhinney (<
>>>>>>> ma... at andrew.cmu.edu>) escribió:
>>>>>>> >> Dear Leandro,
>>>>>>> >>    It appears that on Linux, you are not running the PREPOST
>>>>>>> program, which is a step in the MOR-PREPOST-POST-POSTMORTEM-MEGRASP chain
>>>>>>> on Mac.  For your two examples, I think that the Mac version is better.
>>>>>>> So, I would recommend either relying on that or else running PREPOST on
>>>>>>> Linux also.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> — Brian MacWhinney
>>>>>>> >> Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology,
>>>>>>> >> Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Leandro Garber <
>>>>>>> leandr... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> We are processing some CHA files with MOR and we are finding
>>>>>>> differences between the same files processed on Linux and on MacOS.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Both using the latest version of MOR for english downloaded from
>>>>>>> https://talkbank.org/morgrams/
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Some examples:
>>>>>>> >>> -------------------
>>>>>>> >>> *FA1:        well it ended up there in your pile
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> MacOS:
>>>>>>> >>> %mor:        co|well pro:per|it v|end-PAST prep|up n|there
>>>>>>> prep|in det:poss|your
>>>>>>> >>>        n|pile .
>>>>>>> >>> Linux:
>>>>>>> >>> %mor:        co|well pro:per|it v|end-PAST adv|up adv|there
>>>>>>> prep|in
>>>>>>> >>>        det:poss|your n|pile .
>>>>>>> >>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> >>> *MA1:        Morgan doesn't bite .
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> MacOS:
>>>>>>> >>> %mor:        n:prop|Morgan mod|do&3S~neg|not v|bite .
>>>>>>> >>> Linux:
>>>>>>> >>> %mor:        n:prop|Morgan mod|do&3S~neg|not n|bite .
>>>>>>> >>> -------------------------------
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> We are using CLAN from the UI in macOS and on Linux we are using:
>>>>>>> >>> mor +L/path/to/lib/eng [chaFilePath]
>>>>>>> >>> post +d/path/to/lib/eng/post.db [chaFilePath]
>>>>>>> >>> postmortem +L/path/to/lib/eng $1
>>>>>>> >>> megrasp +L/path/to/lib/eng $1
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> We found that on Linux post, postmortem and megrasp don't
>>>>>>> automatically run so we manually do it.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Am I missing something ? Shouldn't the output be the same ?
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>> >>> Leandro.
>>>>>>> >>>
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