FW: Tahlklie and Polaklie

[phil cash cash]

-----Original Message-----
From: Dell Hymes [mailto:dhymes at adelphia.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:29 AM
To: phil cash cash
Subject: Re: Tahlklie and Polaklie
Importance: High




Kathlamet verb stem	 -pu 'to close'
	verb/noun stem -pun 'to become dark'
		e.g., p. 85, line 16 KT:  n-(a)-u-pun--m-x  'it grew
dark'
			(before -u-, a deletes)
			stress on u.


also, noun 	a-La-p'un-n-kau  'a blind one.		L= voiceless
lateral
cf. Wishram  	a-k-p'uninkau "I (k) am blind'

Kathalmet	a-pul, wa-pul  'night'
		a-n-p'un-maX  "I am darkness' (X = velar voiceless
fricative)


 >I get the impression that [po-] in Kathlamet Chinook may be associated
>with "darkness" as in [igoponem] 'it grew dark'.  If this is correct
>then you have [-laklie] to account for.
>
>po-laklie
>tah-lkie
>
>The morphological suffix stem form may then be [-lkie] which can be
>derived from [-laklie].  Just browsing now, I am not sure what this
stem
>may be.
>
>This is just my impression, wext,
>
>phil cash cash
>cayuse/nez perce
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: The Chinook List [mailto:CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG] On
>Behalf Of Mike Cleven
>Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:43 AM
>To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
>Subject: Tahlklie and Polaklie
>
>Klahowya konaway tillikums.
>
>Editing (well, actually reformatting) some pages tonight and happened
>across "tahlklie" (yesterday) and "polaklie" (evening, night, darkness)
>and couldn't helpt but guess that they're related; I'm wondering what
>the exact etymology is the "-klie" ending and the "tahl-" and "pola-"
>bits.  Is this Chinookan?
>
>Tomolla is of course CJ for "tomorrow"; but was there another word,
>perhaps a "-klie" word, for "tomorrow" in the source language?
>
>
>--
>Mike Cleven
>http://www.cayoosh.net (Bridge River Lillooet history)
>http://www.hiyu.net (Chinook Jargon phrasebook/history)