FN Language

[Tony Johnson]

A couple of comments.  I, also, wondered if that was not Dave's intention when he wrote "relevant."  However, it is clear that "upriver" Chinookan did contribute to the core vocabulary of Chinuk Wawa.  This fact does not conflict with the statement that varieties once spoken at the mouth were the primary contributors to the language considering that the Kathlamet dialect is generally considered "Upper" Chinookan, and its boundaries are just a few miles inland from the mouth of the river.  Whether or not you classify it as Upper Chinookan or its own language it does share similarities with Upper Chinook which makes it apparent that some core Chinuk Wawa vocabulary is from Kathlamet or some other Upper Chinook variety.  

Also, I can't speak to Frisian, but it is my understanding that the Chinookan languages are considerably closer related than Dutch and modern English.  

ALqi wEXt--Tony
Shawash-Ili7i
(Grand Ronde, OR)

>>> "Ros' Haruo" <lilandbr at hotmail.com> 12/17/2003 7:32:12 PM >>>
Looks to me like the question is what Dave meant by "relevant" when he wrote 
"I believe there are no speakers of the relevant Chinookan languages left" * 
I assume he meant the Chinookan varieties once spoken near the mouth of the 
Columbia, which lost their speaking communities much earlier than the 
upriver varieties, but which were apparently the source, in the late 1700s 
or early 1800s, of most of the Chinookan-per-se items in the CJ lexicon.

Imagine a world in which all the native English-speakers were gone (and 
mostly unattested), but there were still a few Frisians and Dutch-speakers.

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>From: Tony Johnson <Tony.Johnson at GRANDRONDE.ORG>
>Reply-To: Tony Johnson <Tony.Johnson at GRANDRONDE.ORG>
>To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG 
>Subject: Re: FN Language
>Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:36:07 -0800
>
>LaXayEm khanawi-Laksta (hello everyone),
>
>Just a quick note from the past.  As I was going through old email I
>found this quick post, and thought I should come to the defense of our
>Kiksht (upriver Chinook) speakers.  There are at least five speakers of
>Chinookan that I know of.  They all live on, or are associated with, the
>Yakama and Warm Springs reservations.  ALqi wEXt.
>
>Tony A. Johnson
>Grand Ronde, OR
>
> >>> "David D. Robertson" <ddr11 at COLUMBIA.EDU> 11/06/2003 7:33:09 AM
> >>>
>LhaXayam,
>
>The respondents could have been from the mouth of the Columbia, though
>FPCF's survey was of BC First Nations people; however it's very
>unlikely
>they spoke Chinook as opposed to CJ, I feel.  Though not a Chinookan
>specialist, I believe there are no speakers of the relevant Chinookan
>languages left.
>
>--Dave R.
>
>
>
>On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:12:56 -0800, Bernard Schulmann - home
><bernard.schulmann at LILLONET.CA> wrote:
>
> >Could not the answers also have been people from the mouth Columbia
>and
> >were speakers of the Chinook Aboriginal Language and did not mean
>jargon?
> >
> >Bernard Schulmann
> >Lillooet BC

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