Penutian "musmus"?

[phil cash cash]

more food for thought...here is a real good summary on prehistoric
language spread in the NW and elsewhere by Jane Hill.  it does relate
to the topic under discussion and a summary is given on Algonkian.

http://crlc.anu.edu.au/arcling2/Hill.htm

(Jane cites the Goodard article I mentioned previously concerning
'deer', etc.)

Phil Cash Cash
UofA

On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 09:50  PM, David D. Robertson wrote:

> Here's something more specific, now that I've referred back to Berman's
> article:  from page 17, a set of proposed Plateau Penutian cognates
> having
> the meaning "black-tailed deer":
>
> K[lamath] -- mosmas, mosmos
> M[olala] -- mu(u)sims
>      musmalhq "doe" (malhq "she-one")
>      musqamlh "buck" (qamlh "he-one")
>
> These forms bear a closer resemblance to the CJ word for "cow" than the
> proposed Algonquian source-words do.
>
> --Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:57:22 -0400, David D. Robertson
> <ddr11 at COLUMBIA.EDU> wrote:
>
>> I was just glancing at Howard Berman's IJAL vol. 62 article, The
>> Position
>> of Molala in Plateau Penutian, and saw a form for "deer" that looked
>> rather like CJ musmus "cow".  Could the Jargon term have any roots in
>> the
>> Penutian one?
>>
>> As implausible as that may sound, and as widely accepted as an
>> Algonquian
>> etymology for musmus is, I can imagine a situation in which early CJ
>> already had the word mawich for "deer" (from Southern Waskashan, that
>> is
>> Nootkan); maybe this would make existing widespread Oregon words like
>> musmus more likely and useful as terms for "cow".  As we know, terms
>> for
>> animals were often shared among unrelated & not-closely-related
>> languages
>> in the NW...
>>
>> I think no one has proposed S. Wakashan sources for musmus.
>>
>> Now, if musmus is Penutian rather than Algonquian, this tends to make
>> the
>> latter seem a more minor contributor than thought.  (Because there are
>> relatively few other CJ words considered to be of Algonquian origin.)
>>
>> Reactions?
>