KIWA

[phil cash cash]

interesting Henry, there looks to be some phonological/semantic 
similarity between Molala tae:qti-, ta:qti- 'above, high up' and the 
word for hat in Sahaptian (Sahaptin and Nez Perce).

táqmaathl 'hat' (Warm Springs Sahaptin)
táaqmaathl 'hat' (Nez Perce)

this is assuming a lot though as /tak/ or /taq/ has other potential 
correspondences, such as taks 'ear' (Cayuse).

phil cash cash (cayuse/nez perce)
ph.d student in the joint program in anthropology & linguistics
UofA


On Jul 28, 2004, at 2:32 PM, hzenk at PDX.EDU wrote:

> I wanted to jump into this awhile back, but was out of town and didn't 
> have the
> right notes.  The issue of whether an English spelling points to 
> Chinuk Wawa or
> another indigenous language also arises for two placenames in the 
> central
> Oregon Cascades, traditional Molala country (Molalas were hunters who 
> lived in
> small groups scattered along the slopes of the Oregon Cascades; most 
> were
> removed to Grand Ronde Res. in the mid-19th c., except for a group 
> that went to
> Klamath Res. and others that stayed or drifted back to their original 
> home
> territories).  The names are:
>
> 1. Toketee Falls (North Fork of Umpqua R.), for which MacArthur's 
> Oregon
> Geographic Names cites CW "Toke-tie, pretty" (Gibbs's spelling), a 
> word I've
> never heard anyone use and which even Gibbs says was unusual.
>
> 2. Tuckta Trail (Near Oakridge, OR).
>
> Both of these names could also be taken as suggesting Molala tae:qti-, 
> ta:qti-
> 'above, high up'.  This fits geographically, as both names are in 
> traditional
> Molala territory.  Of course, it's easy to imagine "Toketee Falls" 
> being
> named when someone fished out their English-orthography "Chinook"
> dictionary--of which there were many, but almost all based 
> more-or-less on
> Gibbs.  On the other hand, the spelling doesn't quite match Gibbs's, 
> and the
> identification could have resulted from later reinterpretation.  If 
> the name
> goes way back to the pioneer period, I would think that would probably
> strengthen the case for a Molala etymology.  On the other hand, if it 
> is just
> from some Forest Service map-maker, it's probably out of a dictionary.
>
> Anyway, does anyone know anything about the history of either of these 
> names?
> Henry
>
> Quoting Maria Pascua <mcrcmaria at CENTURYTEL.NET>:
>
>> I think 'deer' is originally Nuuchahnulth as well.  I just wanted to 
>> make a
>> correction on the Makah pronunciation, it is bukwach.  [buk-wach] with
>> accent on the second syllable.
>> Maria Pascua
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: The Chinook List [mailto:CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG]On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Henry Kammler
>> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:17 AM
>> To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
>> Subject: Re: KIWA
>>
>> Leanne wrote:
>>> For some reason I have the impression that the word "mowitch," or 
>>> deer,
>>> is not from the Pacific but further east. ???
>>
>> What would be the reason? Phonetically, "mowitch" looks simple for a 
>> NWC
>> language but that's true for most CJ  words. "mowitch" probably goes 
>> back
>> to Nuuchahnulth /muwac^/ (Nitinat and Makah /buwac^/) and in those
>> languages can be analyzed as "burnt at the crotch".
>> Generally spoken, it would not be surprising to find the one or the 
>> other
>> Algonquian term in CJ but probably never as direct loans.
>> I'm wondering whether we find instances of "pseudo-native" loans in 
>> English
>> (like papoose, squaw, wigwam, calumet etc. which almost exclusively 
>> derive
>> from Eastern Algonquian and refer to concepts in the indigenous 
>> cultures)
>> mixed with CJ in any of the sources or in popular writing in order to
>> represent an "Indian" way of talking.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Henry K.
>>
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