Palmer s and Winthrop's Word Lists
Francisc Czobor
fericzobor at YAHOO.COM
Mon Jun 27 08:32:55 UTC 2005
KLA-HI-YOU ! (Palmer-style...)
Thank you, Isaac. I also suspected that Krappo could be of French origin, but I didnt have a good French dictionary at hand, just a pocket dictionary, where the word crapaud was missing. Only afte sending my previous message I found a better dictionary, and found out that in French toad is crapaud.
Now, why these French words, I mean Krappo and Lesitwell, appear only in this single source, Palmers glossary?
For stars, the usual CW word is tsil-tsil (whith the variants chil-chil and sil-sil, for those uanble to pronounce the [ts] sound), which means also buttons.
Regarding toad, I didnt find a CW for it in any other source. The CW word shwakek (alias shwahkuk, shwakuk, shwakook, skwahkuk, swahkuk, swakek, wakik) means in all sources just frog, it doesnt cover also the meaning toad.
It is hard to believe that these two words, Krappo and Lesitwell, were invented by Palmer himself. But why dont they appear in other dictionaries or glossaries? Were they omitted by other authors, or they were local words, used only in the area where Palmer collected these words; this should been an area with a stronger French influence
or maybe Palmer collected this word-list from some CW-speaking French Canadian?? In any case, lesitwell for les étoiles reflects the Canadian French (= old French) pronounciation, where the diftong oi is pronounced [we], not [wa] as in normal French, like in laswey for la soie, or lawen for lavoine.
Francisc
Isaac Davis <embryomystic at COGECO.CA> wrote:> What is interesting to this word list is that it differs
> considerably from the other CJ dictionaries and
> vocabularies, in spelling as well as in content. Some
> examples:
>
> Krappo toad
>
Clearly from the French 'crapaud' (which is also, puzzlingly, the name of a small town on Prince Edward Island).
Isaac M. Davis
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