Kalakala suomi?

[hzenk at PDX.EDU]

While it is pretty clear that CW kalakala is from Chinookan, I'm not sure just
exactly how (one of the real Chinookanists may be able to enlighten us).  There
are the nominalized forms based on the verbal stem -ka (or maybe it should be
-ga) 'to fly':

Kathlamet (a la Hymes) q-t-k-ka-la 'fliers (lit., those-they-their-fly-ing) =
birds'
Lower Chinook (a la Boas) k-t-gE-ka-l 'fliers = birds'.
Clackamas iLc'igala 'a bird' (L = barred-l, c' = glottalized "ts")

Then there are also the nouns:

Kathl i-q'iliq'li 'turkey'
LChin t-k'ilak'ilama 'geese'

which may somehow be related.  As also kalakala ultimately is?  Henry

Quoting Francisc Czobor <fericzobor at YAHOO.COM>:

> Klahowya, Elizabeth
>
>   In fact, according to all the dictionaries and vocabularies, "kalakala"
> means "bird" in general, but, according to Shaw (The Chinook Jargon and how
> to use it, Rainier Printing Co., Seattle, 1909,
> http://chinookjargon.home.att.net/shaw.htm), it means also "fowl, insect,
> wing". Hale (1890) gives as translation "bird, fowl".
>   It has many alternative spellings in different sources, for instance:
> kallakala, kullukula, kullakala, kullakulla, culacula, kalahkalah, kilakila,
> kulakula, etc. etc.
> According to Gibbs, Shaw and Hale, the etymology is "Chinook kalakala" (that
> means the word comes from Proper Chinook). I have read somewhere that in
> Chinook it is originally an onomatopoea, imitating the fluttering of bird's
> wings.
>
>   Francisc
>
> "E. Murphy" <mary.murphy90 at VERIZON.NET> wrote:
>   Does "kalakala" mean any specific type of bird? Is it always a flying bird?
>
> -Elizabeth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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>
> > http://www.kalakala.org/history/timeline.html
> >
> > Named "flying bird" according to this article.
> >
> > --- Francisc Czobor wrote:
> >
> >> In fact, the Finnish word for "fish" is kala (a word
> >> having cognates in all the other Finno-Ugrian
> >> languages, for instance Estonian kala, Hungarian
> >> hal), thus Kalakala would be "fish-fish" (I don't
> >> know what should this mean in Finnish, because this
> >> language, as far as I know, doesn't use
> >> reduplication for plural formation or other
> >> functions).
> >> Anyway, in Seattle is much more probable for
> >> "Kalakala" to be CJ rather than Finnish.
> >>
> >> Francisc
> >>
> >> Ros' Haruo wrote:
> >> I was sitting at the Seattle Esperanto Society
> >> booth at the Fremont Fair all weekend. Sunday
> >> morning, the next-door booth (an Albertson's
> >> sweepstakes designed to collect names for their
> >> junkmail lists) was manned by a woman ;-) who saw my
> >> "Kalakala" coffee cup and said "that's Finnish". I
> >> said, "No, it's Chinook Jargon, it's a local word
> >> from around here." She got quite excited and kept
> >> telling me that both the word "Kalakala" and the
> >> ferryboat were of Finnish origin. Apparently it's
> >> Finnish for "fish". Anybody know whether the boat is
> >> in fact named "Kalakala" in CJ or in Finnish, and
> >> whether it was built by Finns? We both agreed that,
> >> whatever the etymology, it's misaccented in English,
> >> should have initial accent in Finnish, and I think
> >> either initial or penultimate in the Wawa.
> >>
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