Gibbs's Alphabetical vocabulary of the Chinook language

[Francisc Czobor]

LaXayEm, Tony!
 
Thank you very much for your comment.
I also consider as belonging to the Native core of Chinook Jargon/Chinuk Wawa, beside the Chinookan and Nootka (Nuuchanulth) elements, also the Chehalis Salishan elements.
[I'm speaking here about "Native" core, because in my view some of the French and English words, like lamiyay, latet, lapush, lima, man, nus, skin, stik, ston, paya, etc.etc.) also belong to the core of this language.] Elements from other Native languages (like Lushootseed and other Salishan, Sahaptian, Kalapuyan etc.) seem to be of local use, not generally known in the historic Chinook Jargon.
Probably in my previous message it was not very clear when I was speaking about Chinook proper and when about Chinook Jargon/Chinuk Wawa. But nevertheless you understood what I was meaning.
 
Hayu masi pi aLqi wEXt,
 
Francisc


--- On Thu, 10/2/08, Tony Johnson <Tony.Johnson at grandronde.org> wrote:

From: Tony Johnson <Tony.Johnson at grandronde.org>
Subject: RE: Gibbs's Alphabetical vocabulary of the Chinook language
To: fericzobor at yahoo.com, CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 12:02 AM








LaXayam Francisc.  A quick comment:
 
I believe that the Chehalis / Salish component of Chinuk Wawa is integral to it.  I would argue against it being a later addition.  Chinookans have always intermarried with neighboring Salish speakers and in most cases have been wholly bilingual with them.  This includes my family history (it also includes my wife’s family as well as seemingly every other Chinook I know).  You are right to point out that Salish languages ( Lower Chehalis , Tillamook, etc.) were the last of these languages spoken by our communities, but just to say it, the communities still maintain their Chinookan identity.  The Chinook vs. Chehalis distinction is a product of geography.  The linguistic distinction is a little more blurry, especially in more recent years with the degradation of our languages.  aLqi ntsayka wawa.
 
hayu masi (many thanks),
 
 
 
Tony A. Johnson
Cultural Education Coordinator
Confederated Tribes of Grand Ronde
9615 Grand Ronde Road
Grand Ronde , OR 97347
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Klahowya konaway six!
 
Did you notice that George Gibbs’s “Alphabetical vocabulary of the Chinook language” is freely available on-line now?
 
The address is:
http://www.secstate.wa.gov/history/publications_detail.aspx?p=65
 
Although the graphy used is far from the modern phonetic orthography, and, as the author mentions, it contains words from different dialects (Chinook proper, Clatsop, probably also Wakiakum) and was published in an unrevised form, for someone for me it is nevertheless useful, to find etymologies for Jargon words.
So, for instance, now I know that iLEGwa “mud turtle” (Jacobs’s “Texts in Chinook Jargon”) / ethlagwo “turtle” (“Eula dictionary”) comes from the Chinook word rendered by Gibbs as it-lá-hwa, et-lak-hwa “tortoise” [sincerely speaking, because the word was recorded by John Hudson and his daughter Eula Petite, I suspected first that it might be Kalapuyan; but then I realized that people, even multilingual, don’t mix up the several languages they know so readily…].
It is true that in this vocabulary Gibbs gives as Chinook words that in his Dictionary of the Chinook Jargon appear of Chehalis origin (like for instance sitshum “swim” or tlukutlh “broad”), but this might be due to the increasing influence of the Chehalis who, if I remember correctly, assimilated linguistically the last speakers of Lower Chinook.
 
Francisc

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