How do you say "it" in Jargon?

[Dave Robertson]

Howdy Francisc,

Yes, I've certainly seen "ukuk" -- literally "this/that" -- used to mean
"it".  The restriction that I've seen in practice, though, is that "ukuk" as
"it" cannot be a patient (a direct object).  It can be a subject or agent,
or even the dependent (object) of a preposition.

--Dave




On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:50:35 -0700, Francisc Czobor <fericzobor at YAHOO.COM>
wrote:

>Hi Dave,
> 
>I have noted (but unfortunately omitted the source) that ukuk "this/that"
was used also for "it". 
> 
>Feri
>(that's how my relatives and friends call me; Francisc is my "official"
first name)
>
>--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Dave Robertson <ddr11 at UVIC.CA> wrote:
>
>From: Dave Robertson <ddr11 at UVIC.CA>
>Subject: How do you say "it" in Jargon?
>To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
>Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 6:56 AM
>
>I published an article claiming the right way to say "it" in one kind
>of CJ
>is... [pause] ... [that is, you say nothing].  
>
>(Technical details left out, but linguists will see that I'm talking about
>an inanimate 3rd-person null pronoun.)
>
>I don't believe I've ever mentioned that another variety, from the
>Kamloops
>area, has something really similar.  Now that we have access to chunks of CJ
>longer than entries in a word list--I mean the full sentences and paragraphs
>in the shorthand letters I've found--we can see examples of this.
>
>I thought this was really a neat thing to learn.  Seems like all the
>old-time books say that "it" in Jargon = "yaka".  What
>I've found is that
>"yaka" normally means "her/him".  "It" = [...]
>
>:-)
>
>--Dave R
>
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