How do you say "it" in Jargon?

[Scott Tyler]

Hi Dave,
Hope all is well.
I'll have to save your comments on 'patient' in the linquistic sense.  It 
also makes sense in the physician sense.  I've been reading papers of Makah 
grammar and this term stumped me.  Still hard to make sense of it.  Need to 
probably pull out English grammar and review subject, agent, dependent, etc.

Could you clarify using some specfic and albeit simple sentences in Chinook 
Wawa to illustrate the use of these terms and concepts.
Your confused friend,
Scott
nayka tomtom paL kywa ikta!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Robertson" <ddr11 at UVIC.CA>
To: <CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: How do you say "it" in Jargon?


> Howdy Francisc,
>
> Yes, I've certainly seen "ukuk" -- literally "this/that" -- used to mean
> "it".  The restriction that I've seen in practice, though, is that "ukuk" 
> as
> "it" cannot be a patient (a direct object).  It can be a subject or agent,
> or even the dependent (object) of a preposition.
>
> --Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:50:35 -0700, Francisc Czobor <fericzobor at YAHOO.COM>
> wrote:
>
>>Hi Dave,
>>
>>I have noted (but unfortunately omitted the source) that ukuk "this/that"
> was used also for "it".
>>
>>Feri
>>(that's how my relatives and friends call me; Francisc is my "official"
> first name)
>>
>>--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Dave Robertson <ddr11 at UVIC.CA> wrote:
>>
>>From: Dave Robertson <ddr11 at UVIC.CA>
>>Subject: How do you say "it" in Jargon?
>>To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
>>Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 6:56 AM
>>
>>I published an article claiming the right way to say "it" in one kind
>>of CJ
>>is... [pause] ... [that is, you say nothing].
>>
>>(Technical details left out, but linguists will see that I'm talking about
>>an inanimate 3rd-person null pronoun.)
>>
>>I don't believe I've ever mentioned that another variety, from the
>>Kamloops
>>area, has something really similar.  Now that we have access to chunks of 
>>CJ
>>longer than entries in a word list--I mean the full sentences and 
>>paragraphs
>>in the shorthand letters I've found--we can see examples of this.
>>
>>I thought this was really a neat thing to learn.  Seems like all the
>>old-time books say that "it" in Jargon = "yaka".  What
>>I've found is that
>>"yaka" normally means "her/him".  "It" = [...]
>>
>>:-)
>>
>>--Dave R
>>
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