[Corpora-List] Poetry
Alexander Osherenko
osherenko at gmx.de
Tue Oct 10 10:09:18 UTC 2006
I've probably found what I was looking for or something that can be considered to be a solution. If you go to poets.org, you can search on movements that is a synonym for my categories or annotation. Nevertheless I have to consult some anthology to avoid possible mistakes but somebody has already found an approximation of the "categorizing" problem and it is good news.
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Datum: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:05:08 -0400
Von: Ken Litkowski <ken at clres.com>
An: Alexander Osherenko <osherenko at gmx.de>
Betreff: Re: [Corpora-List] Poetry
> I don't think the situation in analyzing poetry is quite so dire. The
> field of content analysis has been applied quite well to poetry. I have
> been the purveyor of Minnesota Contextual Content Analysis (MCCA),
> developed in the 70s. MCCA has been applied to many genres and its
> primary developer (Don McTavish) analyzed a festschrift in honor of
> Pablo Neruda, where many authors wrote in imitation. MCCA was able to
> separate out the imitators. MCCA (for which I have a demo using Hamlet
> as a sample text) can do quite a lot in categorizing styles.
>
> I believe also that Nancy Ide performed a spectral analysis of Blake's
> "Tiger, Tiger Burning Bright".
>
> Alexander Osherenko wrote:
>
> >> 1. attributing any given poem to a particular style is likely to
> >> be highly subjective, and controversial among scholars of poetry
> >>
> > It doesn't matter much. The category doesn't have to be objective,
> > it must only be in some way comprehensible for a human.
> >
> >
> >> 2. what taxonomy of types of 'poetic style' would anyone use? Are
> >> there agreed types and terms?
> >>
> > I see, but there is always some way that is usually specified as a
> > particular trend in poetry and real experts can always determine
> > immediately the literary trend or even the poet.
> >
> >
> >> 3. what level of granularity of categorisation should be used? Are
> >> there sub-types ("late romantic")? Is there a hierarchy that
> >> can encompass all types and sub-types? How many levels does it
> >> need to have?
> >>
> > It would be very nice if I had such information since I can always
> > throw away the unnecessary information and leave information I
> > need. In your example, I assume you can always consider "late
> > romantic" as simply "romantic". Such transition ("romantic" to
> > "late romantic") is probably not possible because you would need
> > some additional information e.g. about the authoring time.
> >
> >
> >> 4. what do you do with poems that fit into more than one style, or
> >> are at a boundary between styles?
> >>
> > If there is more than one similar poems of this kind, I can define a
> > special mixed category or if it is not appropriate must decide for
> > a particular category loosing some information. Otherwise I don't
> > study this poem in my corpus.
> >
> >
> >> 5. do the categories fit for poetry from different languages,
> >> countries or traditions, and for translations?
> >>
> > For the sake of simplicity I work only with one language. Of course,
> > I can also use translations as long as a particular translator
> > uses words and phrases of the destination language that are
> > sufficient to understand the style of the poem.
> >
> >
> >> Now, it may be that these problems can be raised with any form of
> categorisation.
> >> The way to address these sorts of problems is to find measures
> >> which are consistent, transparent and as objective as possible.
> >>
> > No. They simply have to be consistent.
> >
> >
> >> I'd be very interested to know more about why you want this
> >> though. There may be other ways to approach your research
> >> question.
> >>
> > I could imagine you would be rather disappointed. It is surely a
> > "sacrileg" and I don't want to be cynical but I want to test my
> > approach to opinion mining (emotion mining) for categorizing poems.
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Alexander
> >
> >
> >> Best wishes, Martin
> >>
> >> Alexander Osherenko wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's probably an incorrect word 'annotation'. Actually it's
> >>> important to
> >>>
> >> know that a particular poem is said to be a representative of a
> >> particular style. It is not enough to assume that the poems of a
> >> particular author are all of some style since humans and also
> >> poets do change their authoring style during the life.
> >>
> >>> -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Mon, 09 Oct 2006
> >>> 10:11:17 +0100 Von: Martin Wynne <martin.wynne at oucs.ox.ac.uk> An:
> >>> Alexander Osherenko <osherenko at gmx.de> Betreff: Re:
> >>> [Corpora-List] Poetry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> What do you mean by annotation?
> >>>>
> >>>> Alexander Osherenko wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Has anybody seen or maybe heard of an annotated poetry
> >>>>> corpus? For
> >>>>>
> >>>> example, poem text and its annotation (romantic whatsoever).
> >>>> The
> >>>>
> >> Gutenberg
> >>
> >>>> project is very interesting, but unfortunately without
> >>>> annotations.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Best poetic wishes
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alexander
> >>>>>
> >>>> -- Martin Wynne Head of the Oxford Text Archive and AHDS
> >>>> Literature, Languages and Linguistics
> >>>>
> >>>> Oxford University Computing Services 13 Banbury Road Oxford UK
> >>>> - OX2 6NN Tel: +44 1865 283299 Fax: +44 1865 273275
> martin.wynne at oucs.ox.ac.uk
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> -- Martin Wynne Head of the Oxford Text Archive and AHDS
> >> Literature, Languages and Linguistics
> >>
> >> Oxford University Computing Services 13 Banbury Road Oxford UK -
> >> OX2 6NN Tel: +44 1865 283299 Fax: +44 1865 273275
> martin.wynne at oucs.ox.ac.uk
> >>
>
> >>
> >
>
>
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