[Corpora-List] Fwd: Proposal for initiating a global non continentalArabic Language Academy

Tue Nov 17 14:21:51 UTC 2009

Sorry I miss to send this to the list

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From: Hamed Al-Suhli <hamed at e3rab.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] Proposal for initiating a global non
continentalArabic Language Academy
To: Oliver Mason <O.Mason at bham.ac.uk>

Dear All,

Thank you for responding, however many issues have been raised and I'll
discuss them one by one.
1- why Islamic tending?
As I mentioned and Dr.Nizar declared there are tow directions for
standarizing  Arabic nowadays, the modern standard Arabic VS the Quranic
standard Arabic.
Both are not spoken widely and the modern standard Arabic still not yet
completed, in spite of some proposals for regional dialects to became an
independent languages the standard Arabic is the only written and widely
dominated the culture and formal usage.
non Muslim Arabs writings are the only non Quranic Arabic writing till the
end of 19th century, when some Arabic Muslims nationalists start writing
without the restrict Arabic linguistic rules, which lead after a century to
non restricted Arabic language we called modern Arabic.
because of Quran the modern Arabic can't eleminate the standard Naho
(syntax) or Sarf (etymological system), and it still leak of precise or
standards.
*Thou my proposal centralized by the hold on with well standarized Quranic
Arabic and completion of its missing modern "computational, etymological and
semantic" standarizations.*

*2-The proposal definitely not limited or restricted to Muslims.*

3- The fund and the Full outlines of the establishment:
let's take the thing step by step, we need [1]enough enthusiasm professional
founders and [2]temporary online platform [3] arranging an appointment for
first meeting [4]proposing outlines and manager(s) for the meeting.
I can offer the temporary online platform
and we are discussing the other requirements.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Oliver Mason <O.Mason at bham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Dear Hamed,
>
> as I understood Tony, he suggested to not limit the membership of this
> prospective NGO to people belonging to either a particular religion or
> ethnic group.
>
> While most speakers of Arabic may be either Arabs or Muslims, or even
> both, there will also be non-Arab speakers of Arabic who also might be
> non-Muslims.  These you would exclude with your current proposal.  Why
> not leave it open to anybody who can speak Arabic?  You do not lose
> anything, but may gain a lot, as Tony suggested.
>
> Best wishes,
> Oliver
>
> 2009/11/16 Hamed Al-Suhli <hamed at e3rab.com>:
> > Dear Tony,
> > Salam,
> >
> > You have a point, but As you know there is no Arabic Language speaker but
> > there are persons who could understand Arabic language and write it, most
> of
> > them are Arabs whome are not necessarily Muslims, but the non Muslim
> Arabs
> > are less than non Arabs Muslims who can understand Arabic, and all
> Muslims
> > consider Arabic as central Language for understand Islam.
> > Also non Muslim Arabs have Islamic culture, so they don't have essential
> > problems with Islamic umbrella "Lebanon is a member of OIC oic-oic.org".
> >
> > in short word Standard Arabic "ALfussha" is more important to non Arabic
> > Muslims than non Muslims Arabs.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Mcenery, Tony
> > <eiaamme at exchange.lancs.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Hamed,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> An interesting idea – I think most people would certainly welcome the
> >> development of a trans-national language academy for a trans-national
> >> language. But would it not be better if your goal was to build an
> academy
> >> for all speakers of Arabic, whether they are Muslim or not? I think that
> >> would be quite in line with the finest historical examples of
> inclusiveness
> >> in scholarship in the Arabic speaking world. Best,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: corpora-bounces at uib.no [mailto:corpora-bounces at uib.no] On Behalf
> Of
> >> Hamed Al-Suhli
> >> Sent: 16 November 2009 13:43
> >> To: linguist at linguistlist.org; elsnet-arabic at elsnet.org; corpora at uib.no
> >> Subject: [Corpora-List] Proposal for initiating a global non
> >> continentalArabic Language Academy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> English version:
> >> Proposal to initiate a non government or National organization
> controlled
> >> Islamic universal Academy for Arabic language, centralized by the Idea
> of
> >> Arabic is for all muslims not only Arabs.
> >> the current Arabic Language academies are controlled by every countries
> >> government, so they have all the problems of the Arabic politics
> systems,
> >> also used by every government for Ideological political purposes which
> >> resulted at loosing there scientific academic objectives.
> >> most of these academies are very far from the technical developement,
> and
> >> the needs of terms localization thus the new horizons of computational
> >> linguistics research
> >>
> >> this information is intended for Arabic Linguistics, thou this is a
> brief
> >> outlines of the previous Arabic message.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Hamed Al-Suhli
> >> http://e3rab.com
> >>
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Hamed Al-Suhli
> > http://e3rab.com
> >
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> Dr Oliver Mason
> Technical Director of the Centre for Corpus Research
> School of English, Drama, and ACS
> The University of Birmingham
> Birmingham B15 2TT
>

-- 
Hamed Al-Suhli
http://e3rab.com

-- 
Hamed Al-Suhli
http://e3rab.com
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