[Corpora-List] corpora-list: publishing lists of accepted and rejected papers

Tue Oct 18 09:48:10 UTC 2011

> "Isn't the danger of such a practice completely obvious?"

I'm sorry, Laurence, but I still fail to see the obvious danger. Could you please explain?
Yes, I would argue for total transparency. We are demanding it more and more of our politicians and business
people. So why not academics as well? Their views are often sought by the media, so they should also be open to
scrutiny?

> "Some people... may be rather timid about submitting a paper to a prestigious conference

> or journal for the very first time."

> "The thought of being listed among the rejected could be a serious deterrent to

> younger people who may have new insights into old problems."

Hi John - on the other hand, could transparency not actually encourage such people, if they know that decisions

made about their work will be placed on open record, and they will not need to agonize in private about

why their work was not accepted? And if their insights are valuable, such openness will give others an

opportunity to learn about their work earlier, so non-acceptance by a particular reviewer/editor/interview

panel on a particular occasion for a specific publication/post need not have the traumatic effect you suggest?

best
Ramesh Krishnamurthy
Visiting Academic Fellow, School of Languages and Social Sciences, Aston University, Birmingham B4 7ET
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Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:57:49 +0900

From: Laurence Anthony <anthony0122 at gmail.com<mailto:anthony0122 at gmail.com>>

Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] corpora-list: publishing lists of accepted

      and rejected papers

To: "corpora at uib.no<mailto:corpora at uib.no>" <corpora at uib.no<mailto:corpora at uib.no>>

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Krishnamurthy, Ramesh <

r.krishnamurthy at aston.ac.uk<mailto:r.krishnamurthy at aston.ac.uk>> wrote:

Hi Laurence

>> I certainly hope that no conference/journal starts publishing lists of

papers that they rejected! Wouldn't it be a complete breach of privacy and

>> could also be lead to all kinds of problems for other

conferences/journals that accepted the papers?

1. I don?t see how we can have ?openness? AND ?privacy?? Perhaps Olympic

non-medallists should be offered the same privacy, or losing football teams,

or unsuccessful candidates in political elections?

2. Instead of ?rejected?, let us say ?not accepted? - which would cover

?inappropriate target audience?, ?not enough room in this particular

conference/journal issue?, ?too similar to another accepted contribution?

etc, etc. Therefore, I don?t see any problems in another conference/journal

accepting the same paper?

Following your argument for 1), do you also suggest publishing lists of

people who were unsuccessful in job interviews at your institution? You

could also start publishing lists of people who applied to your university

but were unsuccessful. You could also publish lists of faculty who applied

for promotion but were unsuccessful.

Isn't the danger of such a practice completely obvious?

Laurence.
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Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 01:22:17 -0400

From: "John F. Sowa" <sowa at bestweb.net<mailto:sowa at bestweb.net>>

Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] corpora-list: publishing lists of accepted

      and rejected papers

To: corpora at uib.no<mailto:corpora at uib.no>

On 10/14/2011 4:18 PM, Krishnamurthy, Ramesh wrote:

> Instead of ?rejected?, let us say ?not accepted? - which would cover

> ?inappropriate target audience?, ?not enough room in this particular

> conference/journal issue?, ?too similar to another accepted

> contribution? etc, etc.

No.  I would very strongly oppose any proposal to publish a list

of rejected papers.

There is a wide range of introverted and extroverted personalities,

and the personality types have zero correlation with good ideas.

Some people, especially women and younger researchers, may be

rather timid about submitting a paper to a prestigious conference

or journal for the very first time.

If they're lucky, they'll have a mentor who will encourage them

to submit their work for publication.  But we should not create

unnecessary obstacles that might discourage them.  The thought of

being listed among the rejected could be a serious deterrent to

younger people who may have new insights into old problems.

John

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Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:54:39 +0100

From: "Charlotte Taylor" <Charlotte.Taylor at port.ac.uk<mailto:Charlotte.Taylor at port.ac.uk>>

Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] corpora-list: publishing lists of accepted

      and rejected papers

To: <corpora at uib.no<mailto:corpora at uib.no>>

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>>> "John F. Sowa"  15/10/11 6:25 AM >>>

>Some people, especially women and younger researchers, may be

>rather timid about submitting a paper to a prestigious conference

>or journal for the very first time.

May I timidly point out that I find that offensive?

But, to return to the general point, I like the transparency that Ramesh

is suggesting. Also, it is not unthinkable that unsuccessful job

applicants should be listed, there are already places where job

applicants are ranked in order of how well they did in the selection

processes and that information is made publicly available.

Charlotte

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