[Edling] Edling Digest, Vol 38, Issue 3
Martin P.J. Edwardes via Edling
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Fri Apr 9 09:26:49 UTC 2021
Bernard,
A good editor-mentor: absolutely; and maybe not just for
English-as-other-language scientists.
English-Academic-Register-as-other-language also seems to be a growing
issue. I have noticed an increase in papers which have something really
important to say, but don't say it clearly. So frustrating for the
reader; and, ultimately, problematic for the writer(s) in terms of
citation.
Martin P.J. Edwardes
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English as the language of science. I think the main lesson is the
value of a good editor-mentor,
Bernard
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1. Re: English is the language of science ? but precision is
tough as a non-native speaker (Margaret van Naerssen)
2. Re: English is the language of science ? but precision is
tough as a non-native speaker (Francis M. Hult)
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:29:41 -0400
From: Margaret van Naerssen <margaret.vannaerssen at gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Edling] English is the language of science ? but
precision is tough as a non-native speaker
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The importance of scientists being able to express themselves
effectively in English
is not a new concern. The field of English for Specific Purposes began
with
the need
for scientists and science students who needed to access scientific
journal
written in
and for them to be able to contribute to such journals--and eventually
attend conferences
in their fields. I have worked in this area for many years and
published
articles in this area.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to access the Nature article that was
posted
on Edling as the journal
required cookies for access--and I was not willing to open up my
computer
to having cookies attached
just to see the article--Especially since the article sounds like it
is
introducing new ideas about
the long-known importance of English in science and technology. But
perhaps
I'm wrong--I would
be interested in the article.
A number of applied linguists have written in this area. Here is
information about one online Overview.
One of the Professional Communities in TESOL International is the
English
for Specific Purposes
Interest Section. Its home page is under *MyTESOL*.
https://my.tesol.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=4be1f546-1b6a-46f0-8070-74576e6704cb
<https://my.tesol.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=4be1f546-1b6a-46f0-8070-74576e6704cb>
Under the Statement of Purpose is a link to a Power Point developed by
some
ESP IS members.:
*English for Specific Purposes: **An Overview **for Practitioners and
Clie*
nts
*(*Kevin Knight, Anne E. Lomperis, Margaret van Naerssen, and Kay
Westerfield).
Margaret van Naerssen
Ooops I have just received a message from TESOL that TESOL is
upgrading it
technology
from 12 - 14 April. During that period MyTESOL will not be accessible.
But
i hope you will check
out the link and view the Power Point.
On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 6:37 AM Francis M. Hult via Edling <
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wrote:
> Nature
>
> English is the language of science ? but precision is tough as a
> non-native speaker
>
> English is the international language of science, for better or for
worse,
> but most of the world?s scientists speak it as a second language. We
> shoulder an extra career challenge: not only must we gain command of
our
> science, but we must also be able to write to professional standards
in a
> foreign language to communicate that science.
>
> Full story:
> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00899-y
<https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00899-y>
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:44:19 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Edling] English is the language of science ? but
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I definitely didn't share it because I agree with the premise. ? I
did
find it interesting to see the language ideologies being reproduced by
a
scientist under the prestigious banner of *Nature*. It's a glimpse of
the
emic perspectives on language by those working in STEM. Suresh
Canagarajah
and colleagues have written some great pieces on this recently:
hhttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/modl.12464
<http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/modl.12464>
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13670050.2020.1768210
<https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13670050.2020.1768210>
It makes me think about how as a field we might both draw attention to
the
sociopolitical implications of equity in knowledge production and
knowledge
access that follow from the dominance of English in STEM while also
decentering the dominant language ideologies of our own field (applied
linguistics or ESP/EMI specifically) in ways that respect the agency
and
autonomy of STEM scholars.
Best,
Francis
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On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 1:29 PM Margaret van Naerssen <
margaret.vannaerssen at gmail.com <mailto:margaret.vannaerssen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> The importance of scientists being able to express themselves
> effectively in English
> is not a new concern. The field of English for Specific Purposes
began
> with the need
> for scientists and science students who needed to access scientific
> journal written in
> and for them to be able to contribute to such journals--and
eventually
> attend conferences
> in their fields. I have worked in this area for many years and
published
> articles in this area.
>
> Unfortunately, I wasn't able to access the Nature article that was
posted
> on Edling as the journal
> required cookies for access--and I was not willing to open up my
computer
> to having cookies attached
> just to see the article--Especially since the article sounds like it
is
> introducing new ideas about
> the long-known importance of English in science and technology. But
> perhaps I'm wrong--I would
> be interested in the article.
>
> A number of applied linguists have written in this area. Here is
> information about one online Overview.
> One of the Professional Communities in TESOL International is the
English
> for Specific Purposes
> Interest Section. Its home page is under *MyTESOL*.
>
>
https://my.tesol.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=4be1f546-1b6a-46f0-8070-74576e6704cb
<https://my.tesol.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=4be1f546-1b6a-46f0-8070-74576e6704cb>
> Under the Statement of Purpose is a link to a Power Point developed
by
> some ESP IS members.:
> *English for Specific Purposes: **An Overview **for Practitioners
and
> Clie*nts
> *(*Kevin Knight, Anne E. Lomperis, Margaret van Naerssen, and Kay
> Westerfield).
> Margaret van Naerssen
>
> Ooops I have just received a message from TESOL that TESOL is
upgrading
> it technology
> from 12 - 14 April. During that period MyTESOL will not be
accessible. But
> i hope you will check
> out the link and view the Power Point.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 6:37 AM Francis M. Hult via Edling <
> edling at lists.mail.umbc.edu <mailto:edling at lists.mail.umbc.edu> >
wrote:
>
>> Nature
>>
>> English is the language of science ? but precision is tough as a
>> non-native speaker
>>
>> English is the international language of science, for better or for
>> worse, but most of the world?s scientists speak it as a second
language. We
>> shoulder an extra career challenge: not only must we gain command
of our
>> science, but we must also be able to write to professional
standards in a
>> foreign language to communicate that science.
>>
>> Full story:
>> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00899-y
<https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00899-y>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://lists.mail.umbc.edu/mailman/listinfo/edling
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