ELL: Waiver

[Benjamin Troutman]

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Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:07:06 -0400 (EDT)
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i would like to remind those who criticize missionaries that veniaminov
(st. innocent) ranks number one as a linguist and language
preservationist.  in addition, look at the anglicans in the arctic north
(gwich'in).  "whites" this, "whites" that.  give credit where credit is
due.

benjamin david

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Matthew McDaniel wrote:

> Henry:
>
> Well they sure are not black missionaries from the US doing this to the Akha
> and others, so why is it that so many whites find it OK, while few American
> Indians would come over and do this or American Blacks or American
>Hispanics.
> Possibly because they ARE NOT white.
>
> What should I say, that a person of undetermined color, but always the same
> color, coming from always the same place keeps doing the same thing?
>
> White people hate being generalized and picked on while they do it to
> the Akha
> and Blacks and Orietnals and all the rest all the time.  Don't you read
> American papaers, European papers?
>
> I can not say why it is almost solely white people doing this, but don't you
> think one might make note of it?
>
> It is part of white religious culture in my opinion to do this.  Why is that
> such a leap in logic.
> But for me to point it out is racist?
> Give me a break.
> It is this whole accepted missionary attitude that helps benefit all the
>whites
> while everyone says they don't aggree with the actions but continue to
>benefit
> from them.  Colonization.  Neo colonization.  You don't think that American
> Missions continue to be part of that process and that these actions don't
> continue to benefit Americans in general?
>
> Someone stated that it is inevitable that they will continue to do this.
>  I
> disagree.  I say it is not and that this kind of abuse of indigenous people
> should be fought in all quarters.
>
> It is just that in very concrete cases where it appears to be ok that
> the cost
> of the mission is that people loose their culture, this is rationalized and
> justified and shrugged aside as if well ya gonna be raped, may as well
> lay back
> and enjoy it.
>
> It is an attitude.
>
> I suggested that people should seriously consider the actions of
> missions if
> they are serious about language protection and take concrete action
> against the
> clear cases that exist where people's heritage and culture are being
>trashed.
>
> But did you know there is almost no venue for this in the white
> dominated west?
>
> Isn't it odd that in the White dominated west, there is little venue for
> addressing missionary abuses and the missionaries in most cases happen
> to be
> white and come from the west?
>
> Is there then here some bias or colusion?
>
> It would appear that missionaries are going to get little more than their
> continued waiver to keep doing the same things that they have been
> doing for centuries all the while denying it.
>
> So where does that leave us?
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Henry Szymonik wrote:
>
> > > Then you have described what is the exact racial difference about what
> > white
> > > people find it is just ok to do to people.
> >
> > Your continued use of blanket generalizations about "white people" is
>racist
> > and
> > highly offensive.  Please stick to the specific people and organizations
> > with whom
> > you have direct dealings in your criticisms.  You recent multiple racist
> > comments
> > against whites makes you look as bad as the missionaries you are
> > criticizing.
> >
> > Henry Szymonik
> >
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> Matthew McDaniel
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>
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>
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>
> Or In Thailand:
>
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