ELL: Waiver

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Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:48:25 +0700
From: Matthew McDaniel <akha at loxinfo.co.th>
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But why can't we have line item veto.

Because the missionaries build a clinic in Anchorage, does that mean we have
to see
them as the same or seperate group in Asia?

The whole issue has been confused BY THEM about who they are and what they are
doing.

But if a mission builds a clinic, can we not ask that they not aggressively
evangelize in a way that would shame people's culture.  Why must we accept the
one,
if they are going to do the other.

This is where the whole issue of honesty and openness comes in on the matter.

Matthew

Benjamin Troutman wrote:

> i would like to remind those who criticize missionaries that veniaminov
> (st. innocent) ranks number one as a linguist and language
> preservationist.  in addition, look at the anglicans in the arctic north
> (gwich'in).  "whites" this, "whites" that.  give credit where credit is
> due.
>
> benjamin david
>
> On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Matthew McDaniel wrote:
>
> > Henry:
> >
> > Well they sure are not black missionaries from the US doing this to the
> Akha
> > and others, so why is it that so many whites find it OK, while few
> American
> > Indians would come over and do this or American Blacks or American
> Hispanics.
> > Possibly because they ARE NOT white.
> >
> > What should I say, that a person of undetermined color, but always the
> same
> > color, coming from always the same place keeps doing the same thing?
> >
> > White people hate being generalized and picked on while they do it to
> > the Akha
> > and Blacks and Orietnals and all the rest all the time.  Don't you read
> > American papaers, European papers?
> >
> > I can not say why it is almost solely white people doing this, but don't
> you
> > think one might make note of it?
> >
> > It is part of white religious culture in my opinion to do this.  Why is
> that
> > such a leap in logic.
> > But for me to point it out is racist?
> > Give me a break.
> > It is this whole accepted missionary attitude that helps benefit all the
> whites
> > while everyone says they don't aggree with the actions but continue to
> benefit
> > from them.  Colonization.  Neo colonization.  You don't think that
> American
> > Missions continue to be part of that process and that these actions don't
> > continue to benefit Americans in general?
> >
> > Someone stated that it is inevitable that they will continue to do this.
> >  I
> > disagree.  I say it is not and that this kind of abuse of indigenous
> people
> > should be fought in all quarters.
> >
> > It is just that in very concrete cases where it appears to be ok that
> > the cost
> > of the mission is that people loose their culture, this is rationalized
> and
> > justified and shrugged aside as if well ya gonna be raped, may as well
> > lay back
> > and enjoy it.
> >
> > It is an attitude.
> >
> > I suggested that people should seriously consider the actions of
> > missions if
> > they are serious about language protection and take concrete action
> > against the
> > clear cases that exist where people's heritage and culture are being
> trashed.
> >
> > But did you know there is almost no venue for this in the white
> > dominated west?
> >
> > Isn't it odd that in the White dominated west, there is little venue for
> > addressing missionary abuses and the missionaries in most cases happen
> > to be
> > white and come from the west?
> >
> > Is there then here some bias or colusion?
> >
> > It would appear that missionaries are going to get little more than their
> > continued waiver to keep doing the same things that they have been
> > doing for centuries all the while denying it.
> >
> > So where does that leave us?
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Henry Szymonik wrote:
> >
> > > > Then you have described what is the exact racial difference about what
> > > white
> > > > people find it is just ok to do to people.
> > >
> > > Your continued use of blanket generalizations about "white people" is
> racist
> > > and
> > > highly offensive.  Please stick to the specific people and organizations
> > > with whom
> > > you have direct dealings in your criticisms.  You recent multiple racist
> > > comments
> > > against whites makes you look as bad as the missionaries you are
> > > criticizing.
> > >
> > > Henry Szymonik
> > >
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> >
> >
> > Matthew McDaniel
> > The Akha Heritage Foundation
> > 386/3 Sailom Joi Rd
> > Maesai, Chiangrai, 57130
> > Thailand
> > Mobile Phone Number:  Sometimes hard to reach while in Mountains.
> > 66-01-881-9288
> >
> > US Address:
> >
> > Donations by check or money order may be sent to:
> >
> > The Akha Heritage Foundation
> > PO BOX 6073
> > Salem OR 97304
> > USA
> >
> > Donations by direct banking can be transferred to:
> > (Preferred)
> >
> > Wells Fargo Bank
> > Akha Heritage Foundation
> > Acc. # 0081-889693
> > Keizer Branch # 1842  04
> > 4990 N. River Road.
> > Keizer, Oregon,  97303 USA
> > ABA # 121000248
> >
> > Or In Thailand:
> >
> > Matthew  Duncan McDaniel
> > Acc. # 3980240778
> > Bangkok Bank Ltd.
> > Maesai Branch
> > Thailand
> >
> > Web Site:
> >
> > http://www.akha.com
> > mailto:akha at loxinfo.co.th
> >
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> > akha at onelist.com
> > indigenousworld at onelist.com
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Matthew McDaniel
The Akha Heritage Foundation
386/3 Sailom Joi Rd
Maesai, Chiangrai, 57130
Thailand
Mobile Phone Number:  Sometimes hard to reach while in Mountains.
66-01-881-9288

US Address:

Donations by check or money order may be sent to:

The Akha Heritage Foundation
PO BOX 6073
Salem OR 97304
USA

Donations by direct banking can be transferred to:
(Preferred)

Wells Fargo Bank
Akha Heritage Foundation
Acc. # 0081-889693
Keizer Branch # 1842  04
4990 N. River Road.
Keizer, Oregon,  97303 USA
ABA # 121000248

Or In Thailand:

Matthew  Duncan McDaniel
Acc. # 3980240778
Bangkok Bank Ltd.
Maesai Branch
Thailand

Web Site:

http://www.akha.com
mailto:akha at loxinfo.co.th

Discussion Groups:
akha at onelist.com
indigenousworld at onelist.com

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