[gothic-l] Athanareiks = Heidrek?

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Frank and Matt, 

 It seems Matþaius sees little chance for a similar origin
in
Go. for Heid-Heidur-hauhiþs (honor) and Athana-atta-athala.
Matt rules out any origin for Athan- in Go. aiza, menaing
honor.

 Maybe you're right. However, it's interesting to note that
modern Swedish has kept Heidur and *aiza- in the sense of
honor both. But there is a distinction between honor and
honor:

 Heidur is today's "heder" in the sense of 'honor' in an
ethic-social context, like family honor.
*aiza- is perhaps today's "ära" which also means 'honor' but
more in a purely social meaning, =repute.
Frequently one sees those two together in a proverbial
context as "heder och ära".

 This theory relies heavily on my assumption that Go. "z"
has
some relation with r, which it could have if drawing from
the little I have seen in superficial sanscrit
studies, where they seem to treat toning r (with a dot under
it) as a vowel pronounced vocalized rs, ~= vocalized z. If
this holds up there might perhaps be some chance that a
gliding from r to z to th has occured, creating athana out
of ärana, 'with honor'. Hence Athanareiks and Heidrek could
indeed convey the same or similar meaning of honorfull
leader or
honor-rich.

Just a thought from a linguistic tinkerer.

Seigmund



M. Carver wrote:
> 
> on 11/30/00 6:15 PM, Frank Kermes at gevurah at hotmail.com wrote:
> 
> > Greetings all,
> >
> > What's the likelihood that "Heidrek" is the Old Norse form or syntagenym of
> > Gothic "Athanareiks?"  (please excuse my spelling, I hope my question is
> > clear).  I'm not sure if the themes of the two names match up (Heid- =
> > Athana-, -rek = -reiks) phonologically, though they seem to semantically
> > (Heid- and Atha- meaning noble?)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Frank
> 
> I'm not sure Frank, but the meanings are slightly different. Heidur, which
> means honor, were probably Go. hauhiþs "exalted" or similar. Athana- would
> be more related to atta, athala- "patrimonial inheritance" = inherited
> wealth or title. Go. has *aiza- "honor" cf. OE a'r and wulthu- though
> neither apparently occur in patronymic context.
> 
> Matþaius
> 
> 
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