[gothic-l] Re: Hyskos, Scythians, and Scots

[Anthony Appleyard]

I am very sorry to keep this thread so very far off topic, but I feel that it
is leading to an unwelcome and confusing track.

  "John Presco" <jrose at efn.org> wrote:-
> Graves says on page 238 of the WG "At the end of the third millenium
> B.C., and Indo-European tribal confederacy - part of a huge horde
> from central Asia ...

This refers to the Sea Peoples. The Sea Peoples and the Hyksos were different
peoples at different times. From Egyptian records etc I get the impression
that the Ses Peoples were not Central Asian nomads but inhabitants of Anatolia
driven out by a severe drought famine. It started with Egypt sending them
famine relief supplies of food by ship, and they got the idea that Egypt owed
them a living. E.g. the Sh-r-d-n (one of the Sea Peoples) may have come from
around Sardis in west Anatolia and may have ended up in and named Sardinia.

The Hyksos may have started as nomads, but, if so, they need not have come
from anywhere further away than Arabia.

The Habiru were a third distinct nomad incursion into settled lands in the
Near East at again a different time. These were likely mostly Semitic. They
may or may not be ancestors of the Hebrews.

> Graves identifies the Hyskos as the SCYTHIANS. Some scholars are
> identifying the Scythians as the original Jews. A group of Scottish
> nobles claim they are descended from the Scythians in the 'Arbroath'
> a letter they wrote to the Pope.

Or they may have been descended from Greys or Klingons. There has been a
endless amount of that sort of claim by peoples of a classical ancestry
without good evidence, from Geoffrey of Monmouth's book on. E.g. the Viking
author Snorri Sturluson claimed that the Old Norse gods were deified memories
of a wandering group of humans who originated in Troy. Likely accidental
resemblance between the words "Scot" and "Scyth" caught someone's attention,
and matters were mythologized from there. Another case of antiquarianizing
classicalizing naming is on a tombstone on York Minster (in England), in
Latin, that refers to 18th-century Yorkshiremen as "Trinobantes".

> The Tocharian are said to wear plaid, similar to the Scots.

Coincidence.

> Aeneas, the founder of Rome, and lover to Dido (also, Elisha) founder of Carthage,
> is said to have been kin to the Trojans, and the Scythians.

The Aeneid is likeliest in great part ficton invented by Virgil.

> Did the Franks ever invade the Norselands?

In Charlemagne's time there were some scraps along the Danneverk, which was
then the south frontier of Denmark. The deepest invasion of Denmmark from the
south in those times that I know of, was not by Germans or French but by Slavs
from what is now the north parts of East Germany, in revenge for a Viking
attack, and they devastated south Denmark as far as Ribe, but the invading
force was defeated with great slaughter at Hlyrskog Heath (near Skodborg?)

> ... I am wondering if the ASHKENAZ, possibly the nomadic SCYTHIANS, ...

Sigh. See previous messages.


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