[gothic-l] The Scandinavian Origin of the Goths and Other Germanic Peoples

[Bertil Häggman]

Dirk,

Really cannot see any difference between the two statements.

Gothically

Bertil

> Thinking and reading about your statement below, I find that it is not
> very likely that
>
> "a branch of the speakers of the Common Indo-European
> language,
> > spreading gradually from their original home on the steppes of south
> Russia,
> > invaded the south of Scandinavia and became its ruling class, very
> many
> > centuries BC"
>
> I read a few papers and I think that the currently accepted wisdom is
> that Proto-Germanic people came to Scandinavia via the Jutland route
> about 700 BC, until than a Finnic/Baltic culture with a Finnic/Baltic
> language occupied the Scandinavian peninsula proper. These people were
> gradually driven to the far north and east by the Germanic settlers.
> Over the next centuries these settlers developed into various tribes
> probably including the Goths, who than around 100 BC left Scandinavia
> to settle at the mounth of the Vistula.
>
> Dirk
>
>
>
> --- In gothic-l at egroups.com, "Anthony Appleyard" <MCLSSAA2 at f...>
> wrote:
> > From: dirk at s... wrote:-
> > > ... but it is more likely that proto-Germans moved to
> > > Scandinavia (before Gothic and other tribal identities were
> formed). ...
> >
> > Or the speakers of the ancestor of the Common Germanic language did
> so.
> > Likeliest, a branch of the speakers of the Common Indo-European
> language,
> > spreading gradually from their original home on the steppes of south
> Russia,
> > invaded the south of Scandinavia and became its ruling class, very
> many
> > centuries BC. Over a few centuries they imposed their language and
> suppressed
> > whatever language the natives spoke before.
> >
> > Those natives would themselves have had to come in from outside, a
> long time
> > before that, when or after the first Homo sapiens came to the area.
> The
> > characteristic features of Nordic peoples would have evolved in the
> area:-
> >   I saw an experiment on TV once that showed that blue eyes see
> better in
> > faint light and brown eyes see better in glare.
> >   People need Vitamin D to avoid rickets. The body can make its own,
> but one
> > stage needs ultraviolet light. Thus the skin had to evolve as pale
> as possible
> > to let enough sun through it despite clouds and clothes and dull
> weather.
> > In hotter sunnier lands further south, such things did not keep the
> sun off
> > the skin so much.
>
>
>
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