[gothic-l] Re: Trailing the Eruli in the North

[troels_brandt]

--- In gothic-l at y..., "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
>
>
> The argument in general seems to be a valid one, however, a few
> problems remain. Firstly,  by the same argument one could contruct
an
> Ostrogothic migration to Germany. A large number of Ostrogothic
> tremisses have been found in the Klepsau cemetary, and a hoard of
> Ostrogothic silver siliquae have been found at Mengen, with many
> stray finds in between, indicating a migratory path via Bavaria to
> the Rhine. There was of course no migration of Ostrogoths to the
> Rhine and the finds cannot be used to demonstrate such a migration.

How can you be sure a group did not settle near Klepsau?

> The example shows that even apparently much better find evidence do
> not necessitate a migration.
>
> There are a few serious problems with the finds of Anastasius'
solidi
> in Scandinavia as proof of Herulic migrations, though. Firstly, we
> hear from Procopius that the Heruli were completely defeated. He
even
> reports about hunger and poverty in the aftermaths of the defeat.
So
> why would they carry gold denominations if they were so poor? And
why
> would the victorious Langobards allow them to to so?

Even if a whole army was killed - which it of course wasn't - there
was still a people, and because the people was poor this does not
mean that the nobles and royal family had no money.

>
> Also, all gold denominations found in Scandinavia are from the
> Constantinopel mints - without a single execption. Since the Heruls
> are supposed to have come from Moravia, one would expect coins from
> western mints like Sirmium, but especially from Ravenna and Rome,
as
> they used to be allied with the Ostrogoths.

Should Theodoric pay Roduulf to be his son-in-arms? The Heruls were
mercenaries, when Odoaker became a king, and a coin with Odoaker is
found in King Ottars Mound in Uppland. You do not know from where
they got their tribute and mercenary wages in Moravia at a time when
Byzans was the great power in Europe.

Troels


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