[gothic-l] Hachmann

[Ingemar Nordgren]

Hi Dirk,

Hachmann writes in p.116 "...Sieht man von ganz unsicheren Nachrichten
ab, die auf Pytheas von Massilia zurückgehen, so war Strabo der erste,
der die Goten als *Goutones in der ferneren Nachbarschaft der
Markomannen kannte. Plinius zählte sie als Gutones den Vandiliern zu,
der ersten seiner fünf Gruppen germanischer Stämme, nahm demnach an, sie
siedelten im östlichen  Mitteleuropa.

 your commentary p. 136:
 "Mehr ist aus dieser Stelle gewiss nicht zu entnehmen und daher
muss sie ausser Betracht gelassed werden... Strabo ist offenbar der
erste antike Geograph der die Goten kannte."

>From this I admit that Hachmann himself is not convinced but still
Plinius refers to Pytheas. The location of the Goths also differs
between Hachmanns interpretation and Plinius who does not give an exact
location but easter Middle-Europe and connected in some way with the
Vandals. About Strabo Hachmann says he is the first geographer that
evidently (meaning=sure) knew about the Goths living as a little distant
neighbours to the Markomanni and that far I agree, since Pytheas is by
no means sure. Still Hachmann  must presuppose the Goths were in
location as latest 100 BC which opens for Pytheas information.

The possibility accordingly still remains Pytheas/Plinius may be correct
even if it of course not is proven. Hachmann is a very cautiuos person
making firm statements but evidently the connection to Vandili has given
Hachmann the impetus to look at the Masovian group even if Plinius gives
no direct geographic information.

Kindly
Ingemar

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