[gothic-l] Re: Gothic-Gutniska-Götamål-Old Swedish

[Ingemar Nordgren]

Hi Gutniska fans,

May I remind of the fact that the Gothic language had an own
developement after the first language-shift in Germanics   about 300-200
BC. It means that possible Gothic dialect on the Island of Gutland
(Gotland) later was influenced by the North Germanic dialects and hence
became a North Germanic variant. Accordingly you can not exclude the
relation to Gothic even if that is distant. Wessén has never said
Gutniska was Gothic but that it is the Nordic language  being closest to
Gothic and also that it is closer to Gothic than other Germanic
languages. In second hand the Götamåls-dialects on the Swedish  mainland
are closest to Gothic but, regarding the internal North Germanic
developement, the differences of course are great. Nota Bene that Old
Swedish is not the same as Götamål but is just a Middle Age Swedish not
spoken in the North-East. Concerning Crimean Gothic it probably is
influenced by a West germanic tribe as well according to Ottar Grønvik.
I think it could be an Ingaevonic tribe like Angles or Saxons if you
compare with some place-names in Crimea which came to my attention
through my dear friend prof.Alexandra Superanskaya in Moscow. Of course
you can not outrule Herulic influence as well. Several Gothic words may
be similar to common Germanic and appear in many languages but most of
them lie closest to Scandinavian/North Germanics. Also Ernst Schwarz
Goto-Nordic is in no way obsolete as a theory but also that depends on
the time frame - the languages must have started to change  about 300 BC
to 150 AD. Only from 150 AD  we know for sure, according to Plinius,
that the form Gutones/Gudones in Scandinavia is spoken Goutai.

Greetings
Ingemar

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