[gothic-l] Re: EE Jews descend from Goths

[czobor at CANTACUZINO.RO]

Hi Dirk,

Of course that there is a clear difference between ü and i in German.
But I was writing not about standard German, but about High German 
dialects. While Low German dialects keep clearly the distinctions ü-i 
and ö-e, in many High German dialects ü becomes i and ö becomes e 
(like in Yiddish!). If I remember correctly, this is the case of such 
dialects like Mittelfränkisch and Rheinfränkisch, and maybe also in 
Bavarian and Austrian. Of course, an educated Franconian or Bavarian 
or Austrian will pronounce correctly the ü and the ö when he speaks 
the literary language, but maybe at home he'll pronounce "Tür" like 
"Tier" (or maybe "Tyr", where "y" is something between ü and i).
In conclusion, regarding the Umlaut, Yiddish is rather similar to High 
German dialects than to Gothic (where no trace of Umlaut can be 
found).

Francisc


--- In gothic-l at y..., dirk at s... wrote:
>...
> Hi Francisc,
> 
> Tuer and Tier can be rhymed, because their are not so many words 
with 
> umlaut 'ue', and such a rhyme would probably affect the 
> pronounciation in that case somewhat, but otherwise there is a 
> distinct difference in the pronounciation of these words. Thus, if 
> these words were pronounced separately, there is a clear and strong 
> difference (at least to the German ear). A problem only arises in 
the 
> differentiation between 'y' and 'ue' not 'i' or even 'ie'.
> 
> cheers
> Dirk


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