[gothic-l] Heruls was Re: More on the Gothic-Slavic link

[dirk at SMRA.CO.UK]

--- In gothic-l at y..., "Oskar Andersson" <o.andersson at g...> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Andreas,
> > 
> > yes, I initially did not see Sigmund's own correction. Your other 
> > explanations seem very reasonable to me. Do you think that 
Helmold's 
> > mentioning of Heruli at the Havel should be explained in the same 
way? 
> > As Heruli did not exist since the middle of the 6th century, 
another 
> > explanation would be a simple confusion of existing or similar 
> > sounding names as other documents of the area (from Magdeburg) 
also 
> > seem to report the name Heruli in the 11th century at the Havel. 
> 
> A correction, I know indeed that Heruls settled in Illyria in 512, 
and some are said to have returned to Scandinavia - even some 
returning for a new King from Thule (Procopius). But, to rephrase my 
question, what do we know about their time in Illyria after 550? Does 
the Haemus area display any remains of the last Herul settlements? 
Does the region display any memories of German migratory movements, 
like place names, etc.


Hi Oskar,

my understanding is that the Heruls basically ceased to exist as a 
tribal or political entity with the defeat by the Langobards in around 
510AD. The sources are slighly contradictory here, while Procopius 
mentiones a Herulic kingdom in Illyria after that, other Langobardic 
authors (Langobardic history is often surprisingly positive about the 
role of the Heruls) states that they had no kings after the defeat of 
about 510AD. In any case they played no role after that. The so called 
'Table of Nations' which is often dated to about 520AD does not 
mention this Illyrian kingdom of the Heruls and it will not have been 
of great significance at any rate. Certainly, individual Heruls are 
mentioned in the course of the 6th century, but I think that we can 
safely say that the tribe of the Heruls ceased to exsist in the course 
of the 6th century.

As for books, I am not aware of one book on Heruls. I got my 
information from different books and articles, but I am sure that  
Andreas or Troels who know much more about the Heruls will be able to 
provide some useful sources.  


cheers,
Dirk


> 
> My other question on books on Heruls remains!
> 
> Best,
> Oskar
> 








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