[gothic-l] Re: Names of Heruls

[Troels Brandt]

Dirk,

The example below was from my side used as an example of coincidence
and not of evidence, so I appreciate your eager confirmation of my
statement.

I agree that Gretes had nothing to do with Sweden (and neither with a
Danish road), and neither had he anything to do with Procopius'
description of the events around Ochus and Datius. As you place his
name in the same group of mistakes, you confirm that the mistakes are
due to missing ability to write the names correctly and not due to
the deliberate manipulation, you have claimed about repatriation.

Maybe you should instead notice Bertil's quote of Marvin Tayler, who
combines Aruth with the Harudes. As Arufus and maybe Aluith could be
corrupted versions of Harud too, these names could be regarded as an
indication of your earlier idea about a connection between Harudes
and Heruls - but this is a wild guess.

Troels


--- In gothic-l at y..., dirk at s... wrote:
>
> You will admitt that this 'additional' evidence for the Thule-
report
> is somewhat farfetched. The sylabyl 'Far-' can be found in many
> placenames and is not specifically Herulic or Gothic. This king
Gretes
> or Grepes is mentioned as the predessor of Ochos of the Illyrian
> Heruls, (according to Dahn) he will not have had anything to do
with
> Sweden and I dobut that this Swedish road was named after him.
>
>
>
> >Last winter I found out, that nearby at
> another
> > track of the road the remains of a cikadafibula from the Danube-
> > region (5th century) was found.
>
>
> Indeed, East-Germanic 'Zikadenfibeln' were very fashionable for a
> while and can be found over a very large area of Europe.
> However, on the notion of archaeological evidence, the spread of
> artificial skull deformations should be a good indication for
> mirgations of Germanic people who had been under Hunnic domination.
> Among others J. Werner has pointed out in 'Archaelogie des
> Attilareiches' that artificial skull deformations are concentrated
in
> areas were Heruls are believed to have settled (Moravia, Neusiedler
> See, etc.). A similar view was expressed by J. Tejral, as you know.
As
> this practice remained in use in northern territories like
Thuringia
> well into the 6th century, the pagan Heruls of Thule might be
expected
> to have followed the same fashion for a while. However, as Werner
and
> others point out no such practice was ever encountered in
Scandinavia.
>
> cheers
> Dirk


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