[gothic-l] griutuggos, gariuduggos

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Concerning Finns. I don't say Finns formed the word "ruotsi" 

namely from "raud". Nobody knows how (my conjectural) 

"Gothic russes" (i.e. dromites) pronounced their "red" 

in approximately VIII c. when they encountered Finns 

somewhere in neighborhoods of Aldegjuborg. I guess 

the pronunciation approximated to Swedish "röd" 

(Danish "roed"). Perhaps a weak diphthong sounded 

within the word. At least phonation of this word in Greek 

regarding dromites should be spelled as `??~? 

(refer to Parph.).

 

Concerning terv/serv. This connection is almost evident. 

Gothic "þ" in therv- turns into "t" in Latin texts while 

on the Slavic soul it turns into "s". Both transformations 

are natural; I don't see here any linguistic troubles.

 

Vladimir

-----Original Message-----
From: M. Carver [mailto:me at matthewcarver.com]
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:09 PM
To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gothic-l] griutuggos, gariuduggos


hails

the header "griutuggos" gives the form most widely used or accepted by
scholars in the past. if you are proposing other theories and looking
for an alternate derivation, as some of you are, than from 'griut-' for
that term, or seeking to connect it with elements in other words, i do
not think that raud- or hraud- will be of any assistance. i believe
these to be linguistically too disparate. for these, the romans would
have likely written raud- or rod-, perhaps chrod- though that is
doubtful. if you are seeking a connection withi the terms red, rus, and
ruotsi, perhaps the word _"gariudi"_ (dignity, nobility, respectability)
connected with the adjective "gariuths" (honorable, respectable,
dignified), verb "gariudan" (blush) and the noun "gariudei" (modesty,
blushing, erubescence) will prove more useful. it seems more likely for
romans to have mistaken "gariuduggos" for "griutuggos" than for
"griutuggos" to have become in their ears or minds something like
"hrauduggos" or "rauduggos". still i do not support the alternate
theories. i don't see how finnish, which is so preservative in its
borrowings, could allow riud- or raud- to become ruot(s)-, (fi. ruotsi
means rower?), let alone how possible terv- of terviggi could be
connected with serv-. if you have evidence of this linguistic
connection, i would be interested in reading it.

-matthew



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