[gothic-l] Re: Jordanes and the Scandinavian Eruli

[Troels Brandt <trbrandt@post9.tele.dk>]

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, Tore Gannholm <tore.gannholm at s...> 
wrote:
> >
> >I am not sure there was a real Herulian state, when Datius left in
> >the 540'ies. I think their members of royal blood still had a
> >dominating role in the society since a member was worth going more
> >than 2*1100 km for, but their followers were probably in the middle
> >of an integration-proces with a Scandinavian people, since they 
never
> >showed up in myths and archaeology. This happened north of the Dani
> >since the envoy for a new king was considerably delayed as they had
> >to go back to the Heruls due to the death of their first candidate 
at
> >the Dani. There was no hostility at that time since they did not
> >avoid the Dani.
> >
> >If Jordanes' event took place 509-551 AD the first settlements of 
the
> >Heruls should be found in the wooded borderareas between Dani and
> >Gautoi. Archaeological places like Vennebo and Ingelstad are 
situated
> >in this region, but to my knowledge there are no significant
> >Eastgermanic finds from around 500 AD in the region (but ErilaR-
> >inscriptions nearby) though earlier Swedish archaeologists worked
> >eagerly with a similar theory based on other reasons than 
Jordanes -
> >as presented some years ago by Bertil at this list. This could
> >indicate an early expulsion.
> >
> >Troels
> >
> 
> George and Troels,
> 
> There could be another solution.
> Procopius says they passed the Danis without problem.
> It could be that they settled on the other side of the Danis and 
were 
> soon expelled from there.
> 
> Bertil  has earlier pushed very hard for a Heruli settlement in 
Skåne 
> and Blekinge.
> 
> Could it be so that they first settled there but was soon chased 
away 
> by the Danis and continued up the the Lake Mälar area.
> 
> Skåne and Blekinge is in memorable time Danish but there are many 
> that believe the Heruls settled there and very soon just 
disappeared.
> 
> Tore


You just have to consider, that they according to Procopius passed 
the Danes (who also lived in Scania) and settled at/beside the 
Goetes, making Scania/Halland improbable. Smaaland or Blekinge are 
the most probable regions for an interim settlement being attacked by 
the Danes, and you can discuss Blekinge as neighbour to the Goetes.

Troels




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