[gothic-l] Re: Gothic and Gotlandic Sailing

[paul mortimer]

Dear Dirk,
                    I sent an e-mail to the group yesterday which, for some reason has not arrived; it recommended the book "Dark Age Naval Power" by John Haywood. This certainly puts forward a very powerful case for North Europeans being able to use sailing vessels during the period under discussion.


Cheers,


Paul
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: faltin2001
  To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:38 AM
  Subject: [gothic-l] Re: Gothic and Gotlandic Sailing


  --- In gothic-l at y..., "Bertil Haggman" <mvk575b at t...> wrote:
  > For some the issue of sailing of Goths, Eruls and Vandals
  > is very sensitive. Very early migration would have involved
  > sailing ships. The pre-viking raids of the Goths and the
  > Eruli on the Black Sea involved skilful sailing also into
  > the eastern Mediterranean. The Vandals operated war fleets
  > of sailing ships in the western Mediterranean long before the
  > Vikings.


  How do you know they operated sailing ships? Surely their warships
  were typical mediteranean galleys and typical mediterranean freight
  ships (with sails) as troop transporters.




  >
  > The Vandals were notable as a seagoing nation. Many have
  > expressed surprise that a nation with a long history
  > of overland migration developed such an aptitude with
  > sails.



  Given that an imperial edict had to be issued to prevent local
  Spanish shipwrights from showing the Vandals how to built ships,
  their knowledge of seafaring was certainly zero when they reached the
  Mediteranean.

  Note, neither Vandals nor Goths or Eruli ever operated Viking ships.
  The seafaring skills of the Goths and Eruli on the Black Sea have
  been described as a 'shambles' initially. But of course, I know that
  this argument (like all the rest) is lost on you and as genuine pre-
  Vikings ship-building must have been in their genes;-)

  Dirk


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