[gothic-l] Re: Goths, Eruli in the East

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at y..., Tore Gannholm <tore.gannholm at s...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Einar, would you please put forth the names of the scholars 
> >advancing this theory, except
> >Tore and Troels? I am interested in studying their works for a 
more 
> >complete appreciation
> >of th matter! Moreover, there seems to be no scholar specialised 
in 
> >the history of Heruls... or
> >am I wrong? From where do you draw this inference from?
> >
> >And they settled among East Scandinavian people.
> >>  So when you say that East Germanic people has nothing to do 
with East
> >>  Scandinavian people then you must be expressing your privat 
opinion.
> >>  Most scholars do not seem to agree with you.
> >
> >Again Einar, which scholars exactly are you referring to? 
> >Furthermore, what says that if some
> >Heruls actually moved to Thule that they did not settle on what we 
> >TODAY call West Scandinavian
> >territory, like Eastern Norway? The Kattegatt region as a whole 
> >seems like a prosperous area on the whole
> >during the Migratory period!
> >
> 
> 
> Oskar,
> 
> The reason you don't find any Swedish historians dealing with this 
> matter is that there are no Swedish historians interested in the 
time 
> before about1000 CE.


Tore,

some years ago I read an article called 'History of of Vendel period 
archaeology. Observations on the relationship between written sources 
and archaeological interpretations'. I cannot remember who the author 
was, but I remember that Heruls or other East Germanic people had 
absolutely no role to play in the emergence or development of the 
Vendel period. 






> The historians say it belongs to the archaeologists, but 
> archaeologists are not supposed to deal with history. That is not 
> their subject. 


Of course, if there are no documentary sources historians have no 
basis to illuminate the history of a period. In other words the 
history is lost. However, I do not agree with your statement abourt 
archaeology. Archaeological interpretations also tie in with history 
and can be suggestive of historical events. 




> Of course we had guys like Birger Nerman but he had 
> problem combining the known facts with his history.







> 
> So if it is not the Heruls that make these big changes in the 6th 
> century in the Lake Mälar Area, which other people do you know of 
> that might have immigrated?
> This is virgin area.



Why does it always have to be a migrating people that explains 
changes?. Also, what would worry me is the lack of any East Germanic 
material culture, burial practices etc in the Lake Maelar area or 
anywhere else in Scandinavia. But this has nothing to do with the 
Goths so we should not get into it again.

Dirk







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