[gothic-l] Re: Goths, Eruli in the East

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at y..., "Oskar Andersson" <o.andersson at g...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> > >--- Oskar Andersson <o.andersson at g...> wrote:
> > >>  I am not sure that we have to have immigration to
> > >>  make this change in culture.
> > >>  If there indeed was a Herul migration to Lake
> > >>  M"laren region, how come they
> > >>  influenced it so much? Did people accept their
> > >>  authority or were they so many
> > >>  in numbers that they could have gained control over
> > >>  the region?
> > >>  Personally I just find it very hard to accept this
> > >>  theory of Herul immigration
> > >>  because I don't find the evidence conclusive enough.
> > >
> > >*****GK: As someone not familiar with Scandinavian
> > >languages except via dictionaries and/or kind helping
> > >souls, may I be allowed to ask a peripheral question?
> > >I have once read that the title "Jarl" ["Earl" (Eng.)]
> > >was due to the Heruli and could be used as an argument
> > >for their influence in the North. Is this true or a
> > >myth?******
> > >
> >
> > You are right.
> > There are certain scolars that have suggested that jarl, earl
might
> > have someting to do with Eruli.
> >
> > Tore
> > --
>
> Indeed, but as far as I have remembered this has been the topic for
> debate among scholars too. It is far from certain. Another word
with
> connections claimed to the Heruli is that of "erilaz," found on
rune stones.
>
> I am not too updated on the etymology subject, but I take for
granted that
> some significant research has been done since Hellquist's
Etymological
> Lexicon!
>
> Best,
> Oskar


Hi,

there was a discussion of this question on the Germanic-L. Some
linguistically very knowledgeable members there seem to reject the
idea that 'erilaz' is derived from the tribal name of the 'Eruli'.
Apparently, it was argued that it derives from a common Germanic word
for 'free man' or so. That was at leat my understanding from the
discussion there.

cheers,
Dirk








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