[gothic-l] Re: Goths, Eruli in the East

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at y..., "Oskar Andersson" <o.andersson at g...> wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "faltin2001" <dirk at s...>
> To: <gothic-l at y...>
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 11:18 AM
> Subject: [gothic-l] Re: Goths, Eruli in the East
> 
> 
> > --- In gothic-l at y..., "Oskar Andersson" <o.andersson at g...> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > >--- Oskar Andersson <o.andersson at g...> wrote:
> > > > >>  I am not sure that we have to have immigration to
> > > > >>  make this change in culture.
> > > > >>  If there indeed was a Herul migration to Lake
> > > > >>  M"laren region, how come they
> > > > >>  influenced it so much? Did people accept their
> > > > >>  authority or were they so many
> > > > >>  in numbers that they could have gained control over
> > > > >>  the region?
> > > > >>  Personally I just find it very hard to accept this
> > > > >>  theory of Herul immigration
> > > > >>  because I don't find the evidence conclusive enough.
> > > > >
> > > > >*****GK: As someone not familiar with Scandinavian
> > > > >languages except via dictionaries and/or kind helping
> > > > >souls, may I be allowed to ask a peripheral question?
> > > > >I have once read that the title "Jarl" ["Earl" (Eng.)]
> > > > >was due to the Heruli and could be used as an argument
> > > > >for their influence in the North. Is this true or a
> > > > >myth?******
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > You are right.
> > > > There are certain scolars that have suggested that jarl, earl 
> > might 
> > > > have someting to do with Eruli.
> > > > 
> > > > Tore
> > > > -- 
> > > 
> > > Indeed, but as far as I have remembered this has been the topic 
for 
> > > debate among scholars too. It is far from certain. Another word 
> > with 
> > > connections claimed to the Heruli is that of "erilaz," found on 
> > rune stones.
> > > 
> > > I am not too updated on the etymology subject, but I take for 
> > granted that 
> > > some significant research has been done since Hellquist's 
> > Etymological 
> > > Lexicon!
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > Oskar
> > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > there was a discussion of this question on the Germanic-L. Some 
> > linguistically very knowledgeable members there seem to reject 
the 
> > idea that 'erilaz' is derived from the tribal name of 
the 'Eruli'. 
> > Apparently, it was argued that it derives from a common Germanic 
word 
> > for 'free man' or so. That was at leat my understanding from the 
> > discussion there.
> > 
> > cheers,
> > Dirk
> 
> I missed that debate. I think "erilaz" has been interpreted as 
> "rune-master" by some authors too. I am not sure which ones, 
> but it may be O. Von Friesen and perhaps Wessén.
> 
> Best,
> Oskar

Hi Oscar,

I have seen this translation as well. However, there is a large 
number of Old High German names starting with 'Erl-', Google search 
revealed: Erlwin, Erlbert/Erilbert, Erltraud, Erlwin, Erlwine, 
Erlfried, Erlo and Erlrich.  The Erl- part is explained to mean 'free 
man or noble man' and I suppose that the runic 'erila' has a similar 
meaning. Perhaps knowledge of runes and the art of writing was also 
linked or implied in the title 'erila'.

cheers,
Dirk





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