[gothic-l] Re: Dieupentale/(in)Diupindala

[Heidet Philippe]

le 23/01/02 17:09, faltin2001 à dirk at smra.co.uk a écrit :

--- In gothic-l at y..., "Bertil Haggman" <mvk575b at t...> wrote:
> Philippe,
> 
> Your question is very interesting. Comparing the
> village name of Dieupentale to modern Swedish
> would result in "Djupadal" or 'deep valley', a striking
> similarity. The research in placenames with Gothic
> relation is and interesting subject.
> 
> Gothically
> 
> Bertil
> 

If you render the name Dieupentale as 'deep valley' into low Saxon
you get Diependal, which is an even more striking similarity:-) But I
think that this does not really lead anywhere. I could imagine that
the place name could also mean something completely different, maybe
involving the word 'Dieu'?

Dirk  




> > Hi, my name is Philippe Heidet and I'm new to this list.
> > I would like to know if there are some studies about wisigothic
settlements
> > in South-West of France. It seems that gothic language only
disappeared in
> > the middle of the 9th century in some areas. Especially, I think
about the
> > village called 'Dieupentale' [(in) diupin dala -- deep valley]
and also all
> > the villages with the suffix '-ens' like 'Bessens' or '-ville'
like
> > 'Aucamville'.


Dirk,
in 'Dictionnaire étymologique des noms de lieux en France', A. Dauzat and
Ch. Rostang write for Dieupentale' :<germ. 'tal' , ici le premier mot est
gothique 'diopen' > (with an error for the adjective) and give the name of
this village in 1268 : 'Dyopentala'. Even in old French, or in old occitan,
the word 'Dieu' (as God) was never written or pronounced like 'Dyo'  ;-) and
what about the meaning of '-pentala'  or actual '-pentale' ?
For different other villages in this part of France, Dauzat & Rostang wrote
:
Aucamville : 'D'un nom de femme germ. Auka- (got. aukan, augmenter) et lat.
villa'
Escatalens : 'gothique skathaling, personne nuisible (allemand Schadling)
[Gamillscheg]' or
Moussoulens : '(Moschelingus,934 ; Mociolens,1174) : nom d'homme germ.
*Muskila, de Musco et suff -ing [Gamillscheg]' ...
We find a lot of villages with those sorts of name in this part of France,
especially with the -ens ending [for -ing(os) -> lat. -ingus] but not in
Provence and not in the rest of France.
I am an Alsacian, what do you mean about the place name 'Dieffenthal', near
the town I'm living ? :-)

Philippe      



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